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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

PCCA Mini Meet- "THE OHIO GET TOGETHER" July 12th 2008

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FCANON

We're glad your still aboard Jim!!!

Since the all Ford show  is over this is a good chance for another get together for the PCCA. I hope to see lots of Pic's. I'll have a package to send you the first of the week Jim.

FrankBoss
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jimspinto

   Hey Guys & Gals.

   I apologize for not replying to questions [etc.] about "The Ohio Get Together" and heres the reason.

   Seems I first had some kind of a "virus" [or something] eating away at my "C file".
 
   Couldn't find it or fix it, took the machine to the "puter man"   He had it for a few days, and when I got it back there was one problem after the other.  I took it back [he had it for another few days]  Then told me the [new] problem was in the phone line, not the computer.

   Took the *%$*#@&%* phone company 5 days to come out and fix the line.  Five days to get here, ten minutes to repair the line, damm, damm, damm

   However, I back with a working computer [geezzee, I was lost without it]

             AND,------  THE "OHIO GET TOGETHER"  IS STILL ON ! ! ! ! !
   
   There's only a short time until July 12th.

   Only problem [at the moment] is that I'v lost all the information [like address of those who have commited]

   Botom line,  I'm not going to ask for the email address again, as my intention [originaly] was to send everyone an email, reminding them the date and etc.

   Please accept this as a reminder, the date is the 12th.  Location and time are the same, everything is in place, look forward to seeing everyone.

   Any questions, please post them here, or email me dirrect at "jimsfinefords@yahoo.com"

  Again, see you soon [ hope]  Have a wonderfull day, enjoy this great "pinto driving weather'

   Best to all,,,,,Jim at jimspinto

r4pinto

Well, my definite yes has turned into a no. My uncle has a timeshare in Virginia and he has invited my Dad & I to go at no cost. We'll be leaving on Friday July 5 or Saturday July 6. We won't be getting back until Saturday, Sunday at the latest so I won't be able to make it. I missed out on the timeshare two years ago since I had no vacation time, but this time I won't miss out on it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

phils toys

ok Carlisle is now over  i can consintrate on the next big show  as it turns out i do have to be in ohio  that weekend  (ok  i told the x  that would be the weekend for  returning the girls   ;D  )  So  count me in  with the bobcat. and 5  or 7 people.
Phils toys.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

jimspinto

Quote from: FlyerPinto on May 11, 2008, 07:16:27 PM
Jim,

I'll give you a call tomorrow (Monday) to get the info from you. I'm only in Troy so I'm not that far away. Heck, if the car isn't terribly expensive maybe I could just buy it! Worst case scenario maybe I could buzz up and measure it.  Thanks for spotting it, and I'll talk to you soon.

Matthew
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  Yea ! except i didn't get that much information.  As I'd said in my post, the business was closed. so I only looked at the car from the drive.
   It seemed pretty solid, but the asking price was a little high [? ? ? ? ? ]
   If I remember it was $3200.00 O.B.O.   "O.B.O. are the key words here".
   As to high, I guess you also have to take into account that scrap in now at about $500.00  or so on a car.  I think this only comes into consideration when I'm buying, not when I'm selling, but scrap is high and most people seem to think they have a number one car.  [yada yada yada]

   At any rate, do call me, I will be happy to help you in any way that I can.  Best,,,,,,,Jim at jimspinto

FlyerPinto

Jim,

I'll give you a call tomorrow (Monday) to get the info from you. I'm only in Troy so I'm not that far away. Heck, if the car isn't terribly expensive maybe I could just buy it! Worst case scenario maybe I could buzz up and measure it.  Thanks for spotting it, and I'll talk to you soon.

Matthew
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

jimspinto


Attn.  Flyerpinto

  After I post this here, I'm going to try and P.M. you with this information.  I'm posting it here first, because I'm not very computer savvy, and seem to have trouble with messages.

   Yesterday  I noticed a 1977 Pinto "Cruising Wagon"  with a "For Sale" sign.  I stoped and looked, because of you question reguarding "the striping"   I looked from the car,as the place [business] wasn't open

   It looks like it could be original [faded paint and all] and the "multi colored" striping is mostly there,  [just the edges are gone] 

   However, does this help you in any way.  Can I be of any help, pictures or something.
How far away are you, would you like to come and look at the car.
 
   Alot of questions, I guess you'd best suggest something.  I took the phone number off the car, so I could always call the owner.

   Please advise,,,,,,,,   Jim at  jimspinto

jimspinto


   Flyerpinto

    What am I doing ?.  I'm getting a headache trying to remember this.  I think it was a dealer [classic car dealer ?] in the "mid-western" part of the country.  Dont know why, but I seem to remember something like  "Ok"  or  "Ind"  [like there next to one another]
   At any rate, maybe this sends you in the correct dirrection, just hope your better with a computer then I am
    Again, the best to you & yours,  Jim at  jimspinto 

jimspinto


    Flyerpinto.
     
     I looked for your [other] post on this subject.  Then had a problem with my computer.  A friend has fixed the problem [actually it was me, not the machine].  Havn't gone back to look, but I'd suggest that you ask everyone  [anyone]  thats coming for the measurements.  Possibly somebody has access to such a car, even though they dont own one
     I saw one in a "Trade Mag." a while back, cant for the love of me remember where or who it was.  Think it was  "Auto Trader"  that you pick-up for a buck or so at the local delli.  If you have more computer savvy then me, you might try and Google [or whatever] that name, see if it [you] turn something up

    Best of luck, and see you at the "Meet",   Jim at  jimspinto

FlyerPinto

I have another post going about this topic but just in case it helps the cause...I need to find a Cruising Wagon with the triple stripe pattern that I can get measurements from to have a new set of stripes made. Is anyone going to the Ohio gathering with such a car? I'm going to be there with the purple Pinto (that actually used to have the stripes till some tool removed them with a grinder...sigh...) so I could do the work. Anyone going to be up that way with a Cruising Wagon?
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

jimspinto


  Just an update !

   First,
   I never mentioned this, but........
   I want to tell all of that I'm..............
  #1 not very good on the computer.
  #2  cant type, never learned how, just taught myself.
  #3  cant spell worth a damm.
   All of this is out so, please excuse all my typo's and spelling error's

   Now on to the up-date.
   A week or so ago, I took a drive thru the "Amish" country.
  Myself and a friend, with a clip-board.
   I'd driven for about ten hours or so.  I'd crossed over the same roads more than two or three times.  Seemed I'd found alot more than I'd thought were there.

   But........I'd managed to set-up a REALY NICE "convoy type cruise"  Just have to now put it on paper, in a "map style"
   
   The finished thing  [cruise]  wont take anywhere near 10 hours, in fact, I'm going to set it up so's any part could be "deleted"   as needed.

    I'd made about 10 or 12 stops.  At woodworking, harnes, specialty shops, general stores, gifts shops, and a jelly shop.  So there should be plenty of places of interest, and things for the women to buy.  We all know how they love to shop, and never for car parts. [ha ha]

   I have also stoped at three of the "Amish Style eatery's"   Haven't gotten anything from them, but......let them think about it for a while.  Hope it gets to were there "vying for us" [if you know what i mean]

   So, as you can see, I'm not sitting still, doing nothing.  Looking forward to a great get together and cruise, see you all there and then.

   Please email me with any question or suggestions.  I'v left out any informatiom about over-night places, but there available, so dont hesitate to ask if you need help

    Again, my opening statement. I'm not going to "edit" this. or look up any spelling.  If you see any "errors" just have fun laughing about them.

    Best to all for now,,,,,,,,,Jim at   jimspinto

jimspinto

Quote from: ADaughen on April 13, 2008, 03:54:14 PM
Email sent, sir.


ETA:
I forgot to ask.  Does anyone need any Pinto related parts?

I have ~6 rallye wheels, ~3 center caps, 4 chrome rings, taking up space in my garage... and I think I still have a 4spd and the block taking up space in my dad's garage.
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  A comment on whether or not you [anybody] should bring all this stuff.

  I went to a Thunderbird [baby-bird] national meet that was held locally,  Most cars were trailered, so this allowed for alot more space to haul stuff

  I think it was like the true meaning of a "swap-meet"   Guys were tading stuff back and forth, selling it for VERY FAIR PRICES.

  Was certainly interesting, and everyone was there for fun, not to make money.  It added alot to the meet, thats for sure.  So bottom line, allthough this is not a swapmeet, its "Pintos Only"  so I wouldn't hesitate to bring a few items that you no longer need etc.

  As allways,  Jim at   jimspinto

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I might also get my green wagon trunk carpet out of the '78 by then.  If it is salvageable I can bring it up, too.


I can bring them to the meet if someone wants to look them over and make me an offer.  You know... gas money, food, nothing expensive.  You would be doing ME a favor.  I need the room.  ;)


ETA2:  I could also yank the rear axles, drums, front disks, calipers if anyone needs...

ADaughen

Email sent, sir.


ETA:
I forgot to ask.  Does anyone need any Pinto related parts?

I have ~6 rallye wheels, ~3 center caps, 4 chrome rings, taking up space in my garage... and I think I still have a 4spd and the block taking up space in my dad's garage.

I might also get my green wagon trunk carpet out of the '78 by then.  If it is salvageable I can bring it up, too.


I can bring them to the meet if someone wants to look them over and make me an offer.  You know... gas money, food, nothing expensive.  You would be doing ME a favor.  I need the room.  ;)


ETA2:  I could also yank the rear axles, drums, front disks, calipers if anyone needs...

ETA3:  I walked out to the garage and remembered I can bring my front seats, too.  Driver's is well worn.  Passenger is in good condition.

Shame I can't pack it all up for the trip.  :p
'78 Cruisin' Wagon

jimspinto


  To R4Pinto
   Thanks guy,  Ah, the Amish, there a funny bunch aint they. but ther foods good though.  Look forward to seeing you

   To Adaughen
    Thanks for you message, please email me so that I have your email address.  While I'm here, you can go fishing anytime [ha ha]   Tell the family, THIS IS A CAR THING, A PINTO MEET.   We dont need no stinkin fish.  But duck when you tell them !

    Best to you,,,,,, Jim at jimspinto

ADaughen

Put me down for a possible.  I have to find out when the family fishing trip is.

I will not have the '78 up and running.  But I have another 2.3 I can bring.  ;)
'78 Cruisin' Wagon

r4pinto

Cool Jim, thanks for the update. Sounds like lots of fun. It's been a long time since I've been through amish country.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

jimspinto

  Hello to all.
  To those of you that havn't seen anything new, I not sitting on my hands !

   I'v been out there talking this get together up to everyone.  I'm trying to get support from any [all] of the local bisiness's.  Maybe a "freebe" or two from a parts store etc.

   I'm also trying to set-up  some kind of a small convoy type cruise thru the area.  Thought a trip thru the amish settlement would be interisting.  Maybe a stop at a few of there shops or something.
  You'd be surprised at the number that dont seem to welcome the idea.  One actually said   "What do those english [they call us english] think we are, a zoo or something"
  However there some that will welcome us.  Like Buggy Shops, General Stroes, Etc.

   There are alot of interesting sights and places to visit.  Many more than we would have time to see.  But thats a idea or thought also

    There are alot of places to eat, and I'v been working on a place that would "acknowledge" us and our ponto.  I'm not looking for a price off deal, [allthough that would be nice]  Just looking at say someplace that would welcome us with open arms

   My thinking at the moment is to have everything set-up and written out. That way I could hand each person a paper as they arive, then maybe have a vote of what everyone wants to do
  It'd be nice if we [those that wanted to convoy etc.] meet early in the morning,  Say around 10am.  That way we will still be able to have our late afternoon / evening cruise,  see all the other cars etc.

  Any question, comments or suggestions, please post them here or email me dirrect at  JIMSFINEFORDS@YAHOO.COM  Phone number is  440 591 8381

  Thanks,,,,,,,,,,,Jim at  jimspinto



jimspinto

Quote from: shawn d on April 09, 2008, 03:16:52 AM
I'll be there. This is my first Post. But I am really glad i found this forum. its full of so much knowledge.

-Shawn

  GREAT, LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU  ! ! !

  ONE THING THOU,  PLEASE SEND ME AN "EMAIL"  [SO I HAVE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS]     At   JIMSFINEFORDS@YAHOO.COM

   THANKS AGAIN,   JIM AT   jimspinto

shawn d

I'll be there. This is my first Post. But I am really glad i found this forum. its full of so much knowledge.

-Shawn

Scott Hamilton

JimsPinto-

Frank Called me and wanted to have the PCCA put a "wing" over your meet and officially call it a PCCA Mini Meet... (hence the board move and label changing)  No Modifications on your part- just full cooperation from your Admins and the site to support your efforts.

In one of the planning conference calls the admins & myself participated in late last year and early this- we laid out a plan to 'extend' the reach of the PCCA to more individuals across America as opportunity's presented themselves.

We fully support your efforts and stand with you,

Let me know if I can be of any assistance.
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jimspinto


  Attn.  Pintoman  &  R4Pinto

  Look forward to seeing you both, dont forget to send me an email so that I have your email address.  Its  JIMSFINEFORDS@YAHOO.COM

  I will be in touch with you [both] near the time of the "get together",  thanks again,,,,,Jim at  jimspinto

r4pinto

Mine'll fit right in then. It was a daily driver by the previous owner and I planned on driving it a couple times a week, but it's been downhill since then. Atleast she'll have a freshened up engine for the meet. Heard a bad knock & found out the bottom end needs all new bearings.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintoman

I will try and make it.To soon to make plans.There are a lot of shows and cruise in,s I would like to attend,have to pick and chose this year.I will let you know for sure later.
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jimspinto

   Have to tell about this !

   Today I got a phone call from Frank Canon.

    For those of you that are lucky enough to live near him [in Ok.] you have to know what kind of guy he his.  For all the rest of you [us] we need to give him a BIG THANKS.  Its unblieveable how dedicated he is to this [our] hobby

    We talked for sometime on the phone  [on his dime !]  His sole reason for calling was just because he wanted to help  [me]  with this get together.  Cant say enough about him thats for sure.

   Anyway, the reason for this post, is because Frank suggested that I tell you that the "Ohio Get Together" is open to EVERYONE.
  To use his words  "The Good - The Bad - and The Ugly.    He said that [maybe]  some of you that have "drivers"  and/or  Pinto's that you use daily, might think your not welcome.
 
   Oh, thats wrong, for sure you are.  It would be great to be able see a pinto that was used as a daily driver.   Maybe it even has a rust hole or two, but that adds all the more to the term "daily driver"

   A restored car, or even a hardly ever used, near perfect car is certainly a delight to see, but a car that survived for twenty five plus years, and is used everyday is well worth the look, and a most welcome treat.

   So, please, if you have a "daily driver" dont hesitate to come, your not only welcome, we'd love to have you

  Thanks again, and I look forward to seeing everyone at the Get Together,  The Good, The Bad and The Ugly,  [are there actually even any ugly pinto's ?]
 
   Jim at   jimspinto

  P.S.
  A comment about an unrestored car !
  There's a Model A pick-up thats in  "Barn Find Condition"   Even has a nail in the door hinge, and rotted out wood in the bed, that comes to some of the local cruises.  You wouldn't believe the number of people that gather around that truck.  A testimonial to a suviver, so please bring your daily driver.

jimspinto

Quote from: r4pinto on April 07, 2008, 02:59:31 PM
Jim,

I have been off here for a while, but it sounds good to me. I think you have my email address but just in case I'll PM it to you. Looking forward to it.
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  And you did [the P.M. & email address]  Thank you, and I look forward to seeing you
  Jim At   jimspinto
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r4pinto

Jim,

I have been off here for a while, but it sounds good to me. I think you have my email address but just in case I'll PM it to you. Looking forward to it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

jimspinto

Quote from: bobscat on April 07, 2008, 11:44:31 AM
Trust me, I am not backing out on this, it just all hinges on whether or not I am here in Ohio, or 1650 miles away!   :lol:  I will definitely be there, however, if I am still on this seaboard.  In all actuality, if everything goes right, I would really like to bring both my cars!
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  WONDERFULL, FANTASTIC, ETC. ETC. ETC.

  Hope everything works out for you, and you can bring BOTH PINTOS.

  Thanks for taking the time to reply, but just in case you havn't  [I havn't looked as yet]  please Email me so that I have your address

  Thanks again, hope to see BOTH your cars,,,,,,,,,,Jim at  jimspinto

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bobscat

Trust me, I am not backing out on this, it just all hinges on whether or not I am here in Ohio, or 1650 miles away!   :lol:  I will definitely be there, however, if I am still on this seaboard.  In all actuality, if everything goes right, I would really like to bring both my cars!

jimspinto


  My god, whats happening ?
  I look on here every day, sometimes two times a day.  I think I'm getting depressed.  Is there no [other than what I have] interest ?

  Come-on guys & girls, send me a message, make a commitment.  I'm all worked up, excited, think this will be a fun time.  I spend all my time [well not all of it] talking this up, getting the locals into expecting a bunch of "Pintos"  But I get depressed when I dont see any [new] pinto owners wanting to get involved.

  As a "Pinto Owner" all you'd have to do is show up and have fun.

  You know your going to be out there showing your Pinto come July, but I need some kind of a commitment now.  Need to tell the town fathers and the cruise operators what kind of space I will need.

  Again, my email address & phone number are
   JIMSFINEFORDS@YAHOO.COM   &   440 591 8391   Of course you could post a message here also

  Its not that early, you will be cruising soon, spread the word, come to Middlefield, see other [differant] pintos, have fun,  We wont have fun without you, so please...........

Jim at   jimspinto

jimspinto

Quote from: FCANON on April 06, 2008, 09:13:44 AM
Well its time for a update huh?
How are we doing on the Ohio get together?

Remember the smaller meets are as important as the Reganal meets.
All it takes are a few Pintos and good people.

FrankBoss

www.PintoWorks.com
www.FrankBoss.com
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  Hey Frank,

  Thanks for the up-date and comment, I was wondering myself what was happening and were all the pinto owners went to
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  I just came back from the all ford swap meet in Columbus were I talked with alot of ford owners about the get together.  Found several pinto owners, and gave them my email address, hope that something comes from it

  I have been talking it up here at home, can tell you that the town fathers seem to be very open and appreative of the idea   Although they want me to do all the work,. [what ever that may be] I have no problem with that

  So far I'm still in the prosess of talking, but I'm looking forward to a great time for all.  I'm talking to and hopeing for some coverage and a photo shoot from the local news papers.  Gathering support from all the local auto parts supplyers [as I'm looking for donations to use as "give-aways, gifts etc.]  Have stoped and talked with the owners of a local Amish "Family Style" resturant, for a nice sit down dinner.  Like to do  a cruise [carevan type thing] thru the Amish settlements etc.   But there are alot of interesting things & places to see, [for anyone that doesn't want to cruise]  I will have everything set-up, with all the information available [at the time of the show] so everyone can deside what they want to do at that time

  I know this will be alot of fun, and hope for bigger particatain [then I see so far] so I like to both open it to our neighboring states, and ask that EVERYONE GET BACK TO ME, A.S.A.P.  with a commitment.  A few have asked about hotels/motels, and there are plenty around.  And the best thing is that Middlefield is so easy to get to   Its located between both major interstates  [I 90 & I 80]  on Ohio Rt. 87 & Ohio Rt. 608 [both wonder thru some beautfull ohio country side]

  So please email me at  JIMSFINEFORDS@YAHOO.COM  or call me at  440 591 8381  A.  S.  A.  P.

   Jim at   jimspinto

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