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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

PCCA Mini Meet- "THE OHIO GET TOGETHER" July 12th 2008

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FCANON

Well its time for a update huh?
How are we doing on the Ohio get together?

Remember the smaller meets are as important as the Reganal meets.
All it takes are a few Pintos and good people.

FrankBoss

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jimspinto

 
    YOUR  ATTENTION  PLEASE  !  !  ! 
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   I just received a message from Frank Canon.  My guess is that many of you know who he is,  But what you may not know is how dedicated he is to this hobby.  I will repeat his offer here, for two reasons.

   First, so that everyone could see that the offer came from him.  It wasn't a request, he offered.  I'm over joyed and at a total loss for words, we owe him alot of thanks thats for sure

   Second, please get back to me A.S.A.P. with a confermation on attending the  "Ohio Get Together", so I can forward to him a number to work with

   His offer was as follows,
         How about  "Ohio Pinto Gathering"
         with  "FordPinto.com"  small, under it
         I can do Vinyl......No charge

   There was other information in his message as to what I have to do in order tp receive them,  and I will sure as hell do it.
  But for all of you, heres a keep-sake thats better than a dash plaque         Something to be proud to have and show on your Pinto.

   So, get moving, make a commitment to be there, not only will everyone be waiting for you, so will your "Windshild Sticker"

   Send me an email, with your commitment today ! ! !
    Again my address is   JIMSFINEFORDS@YAHOO.COM .
                                                                                     Jim at  jimspinto

jimspinto

Quote from: bobscat on March 28, 2008, 11:49:38 AM
Hey flyerpinto, you are more than welcome to stay with us, if you can take 3 kids running around like madmen, hahahaha.  It is quite a drive from where I live, but if it makes things easier for you, than you are more than welcome to hang out at our place.
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   Now theres an offer you cant beat with a stick !!!!!!!
 
   Just shows you what kind of people are in this hobby  !!!!!!!!

   And not because he made me feal quilty, but I have a foldout couch-bed upstairs over my garage.  Its not the "Ritz" but theres a bathroom and etc.if someone needed it, there welcome, just let me know..........Jim

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FlyerPinto

Bobscat,

I appreciate the offer. I'm thinking I'm going to hit further up the path so I can make it easy on myself the day of the cruise-in, but truthfully I don't know. Actually, you're not all that far from me anyway, maybe 90 minutes or so. I wish I could get my fleet up there, but right now it's one at a time...




1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

beegle55

I think I'll just trailer my Pinto and come up and then follow along in the cruise, but the bad thing is, my dad started working at a GM dealership and now all our vehicles except  the Pinto is now a GM product, including our Chevy Silverado that we would use to pull the car up there so  :cheesy_p: A chevy in a group of Fords... don't know how that would go over with the Pinto locals  :surprised: I wish I had a Pinto driver.

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

bobscat

Hey flyerpinto, you are more than welcome to stay with us, if you can take 3 kids running around like madmen, hahahaha.  It is quite a drive from where I live, but if it makes things easier for you, than you are more than welcome to hang out at our place.

jimspinto

  In the interest of time and space, I will try to respond to the last three posts, all at one time.  Hope something doesn't get lost or forgot [because of my memory]

  Re.  dga57
  Sorry you couldn't make it, please keep us in mind and if anything changes, stop by to see us.

  RE.  rearended
  What are you talking about, all I have is 70's era clothes.  There my everyday things  [ha ha ha ]   Also, hope the "user name" isn't an everyday happening. A terrible thought, even in something other than a Pinto

  Re. flyerpinto
  If you need help with "places to stay"  please send me a message.
  The idea of some kind decal etc. is a very good one.  I will look into it, purchase something myself.  If we get a big enough number  [I'd hope we do] maybe I'd be looking for help with cost, but I'm not going to worry about it for now 
   HOWEVER, that makes it important   [AGAIN]  that I have a number.  So, I'd ask  [AGAIN]  send me a commitment, by email.  I have saved other emails, but I need two things  #1 a commitment  #2  a working email address [some of the messages  are coming back to me as "no such address"]   
  Everyone, please take the time to send me both of the above at  JIMSFINEFORDS@YAHOO.COM

   Thanks to all, this is looking better every day.......Jim at  jimspinto 

dga57

Gosh, Jim, I wish I could come :(.  Unfortunately, for a number of reasons, I can't make it... at least this year.  I'm about 6 1/2 hours away from you in Virginia.  I'm fairly confident my Pinto would make the trip but I'm not even sure I'll have it ready to show anyone by July.  Also, I work every other weekend and I checked the calendar and learned that I'm working the 12th and the 26th.  If it weren't for the fact that I'll just be returning from an extended vacation about a week earlier, I could probably take off; but with my other plans already approved, I think I'd be pushing my luck to ask for more time off!  Here's wishing all of you a fantastic meet.
Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Norman Bagi

I am not 100% committed, they haven't caught me yet.  ::) :surprised: :showback  I will most likely be there, and I will probably see some of you at Carlisle in june.  it is a seven hour drive for me and I do not have a trailer, so I will let you know more later.

FlyerPinto

I'll need to track down a place to stay for the night, but I don't think that will be a big deal. A swap meet would be cool, and it would be great to get photos of all the cars. Food is always good, maybe we could all kick in for little plaques or magnets  or decals denoting the "First Annual Middlefield Pinto Roundup" or something fun like that. I won't suggest 70's style fashions (mainly because we don't want to go to fashion jail...) but it might be fun to tie the cars to their era somehow. Just thinking out loud.
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

jimspinto

   
      I had to jump on here with a note !!!!!!!!!

      I see that there is ALOT of interist and communication from "Ohio" Pinto owners, and I'm certainly glad of that.
     I was just thinking that  [maybe]  it was a bad choise of words "Ohio get together"
   The only reason for thinking that is because there doesn't seem to be any interist from our neighbors.
   Where are you ????????
   We'd  welcome you, love to have Pintos from other states           Please think about a visit to us here in north east Ohio, it'd be a wonderfull summer drive, we have some beautifull scenery and not many hills for thoses Pintos to climb

  Thanks,   Jim at   jimspinto

jimspinto

Quote from: phils toys on March 26, 2008, 10:43:09 AM
I hope to make it 
My vote for food would be the amish food .Being from an amish area  they make great food.  You can go anywhere and eat fast food.
phils tos
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    Not only is the food better [?]   It cost less in the long run  Amish that is

Thanks,,,,,,  Jim at   jimspinto

phils toys

I hope to make it 
My vote for food would be the amish food .Being from an amish area  they make great food.  You can go anywhere and eat fast food.
phils tos
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jimspinto

Quote from: beegle55 on March 25, 2008, 11:32:36 AM
Well I was just concerned about the 'cruise' part.  A meeting would be good, if we had enough Pinto's it could be like a mini-car show and if you had some Pinto stuff to get ride of you could bring it and we could have a little swap meet. I won't be able to do the 'cruise' part because my car is not street legal, but I'd still come up if there was a little car show and swap meet or something to that effect. It's a four-hour drive for me but if we had enough Pinto's I'd make the drive and it sounds like a neat little town so my family was thinking of tagging along and getting a hotel and just visiting what there is to see up there. I'm going to have to get a new trailer to haul the car too, we sold the racecar trailer when we sold the car the first time.

    -beegle55
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    It'd be a shame if you couldn't bring that car up here. "Trailer it or something"  I think everybody would love to see it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   As for over-night,  There are some "motals" in the neighboring towns, but also some "B & B" places around also  If anyone showed some interist, I'd get the address and etc.
   And a small swap-meet thing, that would be great !!!!!!!!!!!

   Jim at   jimspinto

jimspinto


  A question, Re. "plans for the day"

   How many are famillar with the Amish lifestyle, and or interested in something like a drive thru the Amish Aera"   Maybe a stop or two at one or more of there stores, harness shops,  bugy shop,  horseshoe [blacksmith] shop etc.  A quick note, most of them get VERY PI--ED if you take pictures of them.  A religious issue, dont want ther picture taken.  You could take photos of there houses, horses, etc. just not of the person, or the bigger part of them.  There are several that follow the life style and dress, but are not that religious, most anything goes with them

   Theres a centry village in Burton [the neighboring town, remember all towns are five miles sq.]  Lots of centry old buildings, a blacksmith shop, etc.  Theres a hill [drop off like] in Century Village from which you can view most of the south eastern part of Geauga County,  I'd get them to allow you to use it as a back-drop to photo your Pinto

   Two towns east [again, less than 10 miles]  is Americaqn Socity for Metals, and the world famous "Geodesic Dome"  It'd be a shame to be this close and not stop.  Fantastic photo operatunity and back drop for pictures of your pinto

   All of Geauga County is like wide open country, but there are some interisting places to visit.  I'd be more than willing to set up a meeting time in the early am, spend the day with you [into the mid afternoon] tour the area and etc.   I will also see to it that I have available some brocures covering the attractions and etc.

   As to lunch, there are several "fast food" places in town.   Also there an "Amish Family Style" resturant just a mile from the cruise site.  It might be nice to schedule lunch there.  If enough are interisted, I'd see to it that we have an appointment

   I'm sure that theres enough to keep you busy for the entire day or more, so dont hesitate to ask questions or [please] suggest something.  Like what are most more interisted in doing

  Best to all,,,,,, Jim at  jimspinto     Did I post my phone number, cant remember so here it is [again ?]    440 591 8381 cell
   

turbo74pinto

i should have no problems making it.  the times are perfect for me.  im not sure exactly where that is, but i know the general area.  im looking forward to it!
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beegle55

Well I was just concerned about the 'cruise' part.  A meeting would be good, if we had enough Pinto's it could be like a mini-car show and if you had some Pinto stuff to get ride of you could bring it and we could have a little swap meet. I won't be able to do the 'cruise' part because my car is not street legal, but I'd still come up if there was a little car show and swap meet or something to that effect. It's a four-hour drive for me but if we had enough Pinto's I'd make the drive and it sounds like a neat little town so my family was thinking of tagging along and getting a hotel and just visiting what there is to see up there. I'm going to have to get a new trailer to haul the car too, we sold the racecar trailer when we sold the car the first time.

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

crazyhorse

When I did the 2005 meet, I found things to do. Of course I had the luxury of a "Tourist trap" to make planning easier.

One popular thing to do, is to have a dinner, or lunch. Everyone can sit around & just shoot the breeze.

You know your area better than anyone else, toss out a few ideas & let the attendees tell you what sounds cool :)
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jimspinto

Quote from: beegle55 on March 25, 2008, 09:14:43 AM
So what are the plans for the day on Saturday?

    -beegle55
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Re. Whats the plan.

   I like to say the day is open for you to see the sites [town] and the afternoon is for the cruise and get together
  I have to work on alot "for" plans, its early yet [maybe not that early]  What I'm thinking of is to get some of the "local" news paper and ect.  Maybe some kind of "photo coverage"  "interviews'   Something in the line of reconition, Also, a trophy or two "for pintos only"
  I'd love it if you or anyone else could make some suggestions, tell me what you like to see happen and etc.   I'v never done this before, and I'm totaly open for suggestions
  Jim at   jimspinto

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jimspinto

Quote from: beegle55 on March 25, 2008, 09:06:14 AM
Okay cool the 12th. Is Advance the place we are meeting or just a good address to Mapquest in order to get to Middlefield easier?

    -beegle55
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  Just a good address to mapquest.  There not only a sponser, they are located ACROSS THE STREET from the cruise location

  Location is at "HARRINGTON SQUARE MALL"    Its on the south side of the street, behind a "McDonalds"  and a few feet west of a "Walmart"

 If you mapquested or googled "Advance Auto Parts" and the Middlefield address, you'd be also be at "Harrington Square Mall"

 I know you'd enjoy the cruise, and the town  [see the other post on tying up your pony]  so come early and take time to visit

  Best to all,  Jim at   jimspinto

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beegle55

So what are the plans for the day on Saturday?

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

jimspinto

Quote from: bobscat on March 25, 2008, 07:24:45 AM
OK, cool.  I had already googled the town and gotten directions, I was just wondering where in the town it was.  Although, seeing as it is a small town like mine, I am sure that it would not be that difficult to find a group of Pintos sitting somewhere!! ;D
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 Thanks for the information [googled it]  I never looked there, was going to but never got to it.  Its nice to know that such informatiom is available.

 Your correct, its a small town, there are only two main streets.  Being High Street or St. Rt. 87 and State Street or St. Rt. 608.  As for seeing a group of Pinto, the view may be blocked by other Pony's.

 Middlefield is a big Amish settlement, if you got there early enough in the day, you'd see alot of Amish buggy's [shopping]  In the late afternoon, the Amish are mostly kids or teens that gather at the fast food places.
What, you didn't think the town was big enough for a McDonalds, they got a K.F.C's - Subways - a few Pizza Shops - even a Walmart.  Plenty to see, even a cheese factory
  And by the way, there are rails to tie-up your pony  They are for the Amish, but it would be a great picture to have   [your pinto tied to the rail, along side the other pony's]

 It certainly could be a fun family day, plenty of things to see and visit, hope to see you and all others there.   Come early, vist the town and sites, then in the afternoon the cruise.   For those in Pa. Middlefield is centrally located off major highways, please think about joining us

  Best to all,   Jim at   jimspinto

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beegle55

Okay cool the 12th. Is Advance the place we are meeting or just a good address to Mapquest in order to get to Middlefield easier?

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

bobscat

OK, cool.  I had already googled the town and gotten directions, I was just wondering where in the town it was.  Although, seeing as it is a small town like mine, I am sure that it would not be that difficult to find a group of Pintos sitting somewhere!! ;D

jimspinto

Quote from: bobscat on March 24, 2008, 10:48:10 AM
Where in Middlefield?
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   What kind of a question is that ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
   Havn't you ever been to the far edge of the world, Middlefield is just before that.

   SERIOUSLY THOU, I WILL TRY TO TELL YOU [everyone] BUT IT WONT BE THAT EASY.  I have two problems, make it three problrms.   #1 Cant spell, #2 cant type and #3 how can you tell a person where "noplace" is

  Middlefield is at Ohio St.Rts. 87 and St. Rts. 608
  Its surrounded by four towns that nobody ever heard of, Burton to the west, Huntsburg to the north, Mesopotamia to the east, and Parkman to the south.  I'm sure this information is "useless" but please keep in mind that ALL THE TOWNS IN THE AERA are five [5] miles sq. so you havn't traveled any distance to get through them.

   From Conneaut Pa. travel west on Interstate 90 for aprox 60 miles to Ohio St. Rt. 608 then 20 miles south to St. Rt. 87 [the center of town] west for one half mile to the cruise
   From the Ohio turnpike [interstate 80] exit on Ohio St. Rt. 44, go north for aprox. 15 miles to Ohio St. Rt. 87, then east for aprox. 15 miles to the cruise
   The two above interstate highways are good referance points, but theres also interstate 480, that connects to Us. Rt. 422,  Rt. 422 exits on Ohio St. Rt. 44, just south of Ohio St Rt. 87

   Here's a thought, go to map-quest.  Bring up this address [its also in downtown Middlefield, across the street from the cruise]
   Advance Auto Parts 15490 W. High St. Middlefield, Ohio

  I hope this both helps people find / know where Middlefield is, but doesn't scare anybody off.  Although Middlefield is "no place" its not hard to get to, its centrally located between several major interstate highways   If I can be of futher help by phone, please call me at 440 591 8381 [cell]

   Thanks again,  Jim at   jimspinto

jimspinto


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beegle55

So its Saturday the 5th instead of the 12th?

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

bobscat


jimspinto

Quote from: turbo74pinto on March 23, 2008, 09:34:09 AM
id be interested in that.  i do work saturdays though so do you have a rough time in mind?

------------------------   As to a time and etc.   Please see my [latest] post on same,  And hope to see you
      Thanks again,  Jim  at   jimspinto  --------------------------

jimspinto

Quote from: bobscat on March 24, 2008, 06:01:25 AM
If I still live in Ohio, I will be there.  As far as I know, I should be able to bring both cars, though they are not exactly "show" quality.

--------------  hope you ARE still in Ohio, and bring BOTH cars  ! ! !
         Jim  at   jimspinto  ---------------------


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