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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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NoForKin

very nice cant wait 2 see the finished product
                               NoForkin

Scott Hamilton

Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

PintoWorks

Just a little sample... Not a finished product!


PintoWorks

FCANON

I wont post the all ..but I will Post one to give a idea what we're doing...


FrankBoss
www.pintoworks.com   www.tirestopinc.com
www.stophumpingmytown.com
www.FrankBoss.com

turbopinto72

Frank, is there any way you can send me a proof so I can see what you did to the Picture?
Thanks
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

PintoZeal76


FCANON

  OK Guy's all the graphic work is starting this weekend...

FrankBoss
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www.stophumpingmytown.com
www.FrankBoss.com

FCANON

Keep an eye on this list... I mark each post for the Photo's I receive.

FrankBoss
www.pintoworks.com   www.tirestopinc.com
www.stophumpingmytown.com
www.FrankBoss.com

75bobcatv6

its one of the reasons im asking, the other is to put one up at the local ford dealership here, i talked to a parts guy there and he said it would be cool to see what people have done with them.

FCANON

No we all have to wait (Me too) .. they are a made to order item, not produced by me, I just volunteered my company to coordinate it for the club...but looking at the photos we've received so far its going to be well worth the wait..

FrankBoss
www.pintoworks.com   www.tirestopinc.com
www.stophumpingmytown.com
www.FrankBoss.com

75bobcatv6


FCANON

Sounds Good ..Thanks for keeping me posted.

FrankBoss
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www.stophumpingmytown.com
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Pintopower

I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

FCANON

You can have them developed and check them out before sending them to me. this will insure the quality of the images.
We can and will crop do color/light corrections (with in reason) and edit any flaws we can. But it all starts with the original images. Do what you can with in your means...

As for the Number ..again do your best to get the info abut if its not available any more you just don't put that information in...again just do your best,

It's looking good
FrankBoss
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www.stophumpingmytown.com
www.FrankBoss.com

TIGGER

Frank,  I have a couple questions.  I took the pictures yesterday.  Should I have them developed or do you want to do them?  Also, I do not know what my PCCA number is.  I had two, one for this car and one for my blue 73.  They both should have been in the glove box of the 79 but they are not there.  I hope my dad did not accidently toss them. Please let me know what I should do.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

FCANON

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NoForKin

sent in my pic last friday should be in oky be mon/tues
                     NoForKin

71pintoracer

Still working on the hood, hope to have it painted and shoot the pics this weekend! One question, no people in the pics, how about a horse? Like a Pinto...? Just a thought....
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Scott Hamilton

GUYS.. We Need those photos in ASAP!

If you have not been able to get this to Frank see if you can find a way to get this done this week, we are trying hard to get this out for all members soon.

The deadline is approaching-- if there are any issues, post in this thread or contact Frank ASAP...
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

FCANON

ok guys we need to make sure these photos are getting shipped to PintoWorks with the PDF printed out and filled out ...please print.

you don't want to wait till the last minute.Thanks

FrankBoss

*UpDate!!!*
A few Photos are coming in...as they do I'm updating the red text in this thread so please stay tuned... Pinto~Works
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www.FrankBoss.com

Cookieboystoys

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Scott Hamilton

Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: Pintony on August 05, 2008, 11:17:51 AM
Hello Scott,
Do I mail the camera or the photos to you for the calendar?
What is the mailing address to send???
From Pintony

info from the PDF info sheet you need to print, fill out and send with photos.

download PDF here --> http://www.fordpinto.com/2009PCCACalendar.pdf

You will need to purchase a disposable camera that you can take at least 12 pictures with. Please do not send any
Polaroid pictures because they do not reproduce well. You will need to supply FordPinto.com with 2 pictures of
the engine compartment, 2 pictures of the interior, and 8 pictures of the exterior of your car. When taking the
pictures of the exterior of your car, please remember to take shots that show all sides of the car. If possible, have
the photos developed into 4 x 6 prints, and avoid glossy finishes, also keep in mind that a flash will most likely be
needed for your engine and interior shots, and also for your car shots if they are taken indoors. Label the pictures
of your car on the back of the pictures in the order that you like the photos (from favorite to least favorite). We will
do all we can to use the photo that you like the best, but we will not guarantee that will be the case. Do not include
people in the photos, if you do, we won't use them. Also, try to take the pictures of your car at a nice scenic
location.

send to:
PCCA/ PintoWorks
2009 Calendar Project
121 S. Pickard
Norman, Oklahoma 73069
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pintopower

Final Fifteen! The month of DECEMBER

PHOTOS ARE IN !!!!! A+++

PLEASE REPOST YOUR PHOTOS>>>  THANKS...

Awe damn it! How is it that this is the first time I have heard about this? Damn my job keeping me busy! Am I too late? Whose butt to I have to kiss to still be allowed in?

A little history....
This is the only 74 Pangra in existance. It is one of 6 wagons to have been produced and one of two still known of. Bought "new" on December 31, 1975. What do you expect, the car stickered $7,500. I bought the car off of the original owners son. All paper work was included. The car had burnt to the ground in 1988 and sat untill 2004 when I bought it.





Here is my sisters (sirhugh) submission:
78 Hatchback, 2.3.




I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Original74

Final Fifteen! The month of NOVEMBER

PHOTOS NOT IN YET


Meet Jade...

....the lowest mileage Pinto on planet earth! Still new! 429 miles!

Dave

Disclaimer: The claim to be the lowest mileage Pinto on the planet stands until documented proof otherwise is presented.
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

beegle55

Final Fifteen! The month of OCTOBER

PHOTOS NOT IN YET


Woah talk about last mintue! I had got caught up in other things the past couple of weeks and just luckily got on the site today to remember to submit my entry. Didn't get the car cleaned up but I did get some shots of the clean parts haha. The car is a 1978 Ford Pinto "Bad Dog Beegle" with only 1,800 street miles, been a drag car most of its life. 500 HP Beegle Racing 302, P.M me for a list of mods if you don't think its true. Car runs 6.90's at 100mph 1/8th mile, never set up or ran on the quarter, yet. Custom paint and hood, racing inspired interior, but other than that the body is stock Pinto power! Car will soon be a street/strip. Anyhoo, without further rambling, my Pinto.



Thanks for the consideration in advance!

   -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

TIGGER

Final Fifteen! The month of SEPTEMBER

PHOTOS ARE IN !!! Thanks/color]

I will submit my dad's 79 wagon.  These are not the greatest pictures but they should work for now.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

PintoZeal76

Final Fifteen! The month of AUGUST

PHOTOS ARE  IN AND SHINY


Everyone meet Sam- A 1975 Sedan
I picked the car up nearly a year ago after my first pinto (76 Sedan) decided to retire. The poor 75 was sitting in a fenced off lot and the more interested I sounded in buying it from the guy, the more he wanted to keep it for himself. But he finally decided to let it go, and just a few days later he drove it to my town and parted ways with it. The most used phrase for the next week or so from all my friends was "ANOTHER one???"  The car certainly needed some mild TLC, but it wasn't until the engine blew on the freeway, that I realized it would be a big project. That's when I decided "what the heck, why not make it perfect?"  It took about 7 months to install a new engine into Sam, and I also replaced the carpet along with touching up little details here and there. [Just installed a new dash cap this weekend] The paint is original, it just took some hardcore waxing and now you can barely tell the paint is 30 years old. It seems like I can't go anywhere without being stopped and asked about the car, I've even had people knock on my window while I'm sitting in it during break at work. People are always in awe as to how perfect the body and interior is, but the true astonishment shows on their face once the hood is popped open. Anyone hungry? You could eat off of it =] But in reality, every pinto is magnetic to attention. Don't they deserve to be? Even my junker 76 had adoring fans. Every pinto deserves to be adored. Don'tcha think? Which reminds me, I just moved a few weeks ago and guess what's parked across the street? A pinto! Two pintos on the same street [that aren't owned by the same person] how awesome is that?

See you guys at Knott's this weekend!
Emily













Dan

Final Fifteen! RUNNER UP... 

PHOTOS ARE IN

The car we drive is usually something personal about us. Our pintos are part of our life and enjoy taking them out to shows or just the market.
My pinto has been mine for over 30 years. I would appreciate it to be included in the pinto calender and would encourage non pinto owner to buy one.
I own the blue '71 coupe with a 460 and pro street rear end. I have been to many San Diego area car shows and represent our cars with pride. Thank you for a consideration.
Nothing like a 460 under the hood!!!


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