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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

408 Dominator big block in a pinto?

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ford guy

the frame rails on the pintos are the same.

question  how do you use the same finders  hood  radiator

in the same car from 70 to 80 ?????

i have a 71 i have a 77 measured them they are the same.

ford guy

turbopinto72

Quote from: ford guy on March 26, 2006, 10:51:56 AM
any thing can be done  sir if you got the bucks. we can even turn around the body run it backwards if you want.

taint on biggy. wayne

:text_yb_warning: :police:
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

ford guy

any thing can be done  sir if you got the bucks. we can even turn around the body run it backwards if you want.

taint on biggy. wayne

Pintony

Maybe he can tow his 460 Pinto with his 2.3 Ranger? ;D

dirt track demon

Geograhpically speaking North carolina isnt that far from Pennsylvania.  So uhh why dont you bring your  "throwaway box" to the carlisle ford show, I personally will be looking forward to meeting you  :-* :-*
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

dirt track demon

Yeah really :wow:.  I sent this Ford guy a pm asking about how he got his motor to fit, and he replies that the only thing  he knows about "dirt" is how to walk on it!!

  First of all your shizod stinks just as much as the rest of us. and if you really know so much about v-8 conversions then how come all you can ever do is show some body a link to a picture??
   I just realized after reading this, that I didn't misinterpret your negative remarks in the pm's, you really were just being mean.

  Just remember all the ignorant crap you've said to people when you need something and we are the only ones that have it.

   
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

DragonWagon

I've always wondered how difficult it would be to put a big-block in the back seat of a wagon. Then it would go fast AND corner better.
1976 mpg Wagon. The start of it all.
1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

turbopinto72

Hey Ford Guy, I hate to say it but. :wow:,
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

ford guy

i did sorry to ruffel feathers ----but when you know better
than show it  i just did  and any 1 who wants to see photos of 351-w with alloy front mounts get in touch with me at johisaree@yahoo.com thank you wayne

hoots

Yo ford guy, just post the pics here.

73pintogeek

 :neutral: time for someone to take a freakin` chill pill...
This is a nice pleasant place to exchange idea`s and help each other out...Holy Crap...I thought we all had something in common here...Mellow out...mon ... :coolrasta:
A bad day workin` on my Pinto is better than a good day at work!

ford guy

THIS DIRT DEMON  IS GETTING UNDER MY FINGER NAILS

HE IL KEEP MY MOUT SHUT  TIGHT PLACE.
YOUR FULL OF IT. TO MUCH DIRT IN THE ---------

FIRST OF ALL FOLKS   [CUT] OUT THE FINDER WELL PANELS HELLO.

GO TO JOHISAREE@YAHOO.COM GET THE PHOTOS HOW DIFFICULT IS IT
I SENT PHOTOS TO MR 78 PINTO  BUT DONT SEE THEM.....

ford guy

please excuse my langauge but bs  i have put 289/302/351-w 351-c
and now a 460 in a pinto

i rest my case about  that [DREDDED MIND SET]
ITS NO DIFFERANT TO GO ANY SMALL BLOCK IN A PINTO..

SO YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT WHATS THAT MEAN  GO TO johisaree@yahoo.com
I WILL GIVE YOU PHOTOS OF ENGS IN PINTOS

this is what im saying mind set......... thank you  wayne

turbopinto72

Quote from: ford guy on March 22, 2006, 12:58:32 PM
no such animal as a 408 big block-you might punch out an old 390
or stroke a 351-w

but you can see a 460 pintowagon i am building

e mail me at johisaree@yahoo.com i will attach some photos

ok           wayne

I bet you could de-stroke a 460 to a 408............ ;D
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

ford guy

no such animal as a 408 big block-you might punch out an old 390
or stroke a 351-w

but you can see a 460 pintowagon i am building

e mail me at johisaree@yahoo.com i will attach some photos

ok           wayne

dirt track demon

Ford escort

Someguy built a 502 chevette,   has anyone put a 460 in an escort.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

77turbopinto

Quote from: 78pinto on August 14, 2003, 11:57:37 PM
...(the 74 and later Pintos were the same basic undercariage as the Mustang II) ...

I don't want to step on any toes, but the use of the word "basic" is very loosely applied here.

They do appear similar, but there are differences; The bolt on items, like the suspention (less the anti-sway bar) and brakes are the same, but the entire front "frame" is different.

BTW: There is a guy in CT that has a 460 in his pinto.

Bill
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dirt track demon

I can think of another tight space for that 460.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

ford guy

408 is a 351-w stroker

this stuff about small eng bays .
i put  a 460 in a stock eng bay you can put a little toy small block in a pinto.
its how you do it
wayne

ChrisMiddleton

Woa thanks for schoolin me. Yea I have a 1972 pinto ;D

78pinto

I have a 351w in my car and it fits nicely! What year is the pinto? The early Pintos had a smaller engine compartmeant (71-73) The 74 and up were made bigger for the 2.3 and the Mustang II's use of a 302. (the 74 and later Pintos were the same basic undercariage as the Mustang II) The 408 is just a stroker kit added to a 351w and will not change the size  of the outside of the engine. My headers are Hooker super comp for a 302 that have been modified for the 351, two sets of pipes on each side go through the inner fenders and two go down beside the block. The egine will have to be set back a bit but it will fit. My buddy has a 351 in his '71 but he had to cut out the inner fenders, cut out the firewall (mostly because he used a C6 tranny...HUGE) and the tranny tunnel, moved the firewall back about 4 inches and made the trans tunel wider and higher.    Jeff    ps. when they say " long block"..... all they mean is that it includes the heads with the engine if the say "short block" it means just the block with no heads included.
** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

TurboPintoDude

Why gowith the 302 or 351 when a 460 will work? Nothing beats cubic inches!

ChrisMiddleton

Yea!!! someone responded ;)  Damn I dident even realize it was a 351. Hmm im not looking at the long block and woundering if someone would think it would fit really nice. Im not to good with engines just been  wounderin what I should put in mine.

fatheadinc

ok ok  a408 dom. big block ! ?.....are you talking about the stroker kits for a 351w  (SMALLBLOCK) hopefully thats the case my brother is going with a windsor in a 78 wagon we have mocked up the motor and it doesnt seem like to big of a problem but then again we work in a machine shop and have access to machines for any mods needed or things to be made.if your after the tight look just go with a 302 or 351 if  you want cubes then check this site out for stroker kits you may already know of them sense your talkin about 408 dominators...www.coasthigh.com they have some nice stuff......and they do have a sbf swap kit out there but i think for headers and mounts its like 5 bills or so....we where lookin at the block hugger headers short but they might work  dont know yet................
pinto brain child
74 runabout butcherd bbf project
victimized 71 sedan

ChrisMiddleton

Hmm i dont think the tube front end is the look im trying to get.. Even though im gonna get a roll cage. Im trying to get a real tight "Clean" look. Do you think I would need to cut throught the firewall to get this size of an engine to fit though? :-\ ;D thanks for posting

turbopinto72

Chris, Your best bet is to front half the car and do a tube frontend. You can then mount the motor as needed and have room for the headers etc. I know its a lot of work BUT I think you will spend more time and effort " shoehorning" that big block in that small engine compartment. There are lots of Pinto's with a tube front half section and a good fab shop should be able to do a good job with all the necessary tabs to mount the fenders and hood etc.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

ChrisMiddleton

Hi I was woundering if yall have ever heard of anyone putting a long block 408 in a Ford Pinto, and how many mods you would have to do. Im making a pinto hot rod with just about shaved everything but I was thinking if I should cut the windshield wiper area out of the car for more engine room.. If yall think it will be needed. I think it wont leave me with enough leg room cause of the firewall. Anyways how many mods do you think I will need to do to make this engine fit.   I emailed the people who make the engine and they said

"I've never seen a 351 in a pinto. It's a real tough fit even with the
302. The headers wrap around the front of the engine. If someone
makes a swap kit and headers though, it will go" any coments please post up


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