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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Srt

Pintony looks  REAL TIRED and the engine compartment on the baby blue sedan is very nice
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

TulsaTurbo

Here are some pics from Daves house saturday evening:
















































Pintopower

Hey all! We just got back from Hallett raceway. Man, that was a blast! I love my pinto! Ill see you guys sunday! If any one needs to get a hold of me, 626-221-7681. We're (and all the pintos) all at the Crest Wood Suites.
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

High_Horse

Good thing Dave has a big driveway.
Better get the cardboard out Dave. ;D

                                                             High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Cookieboystoys

I'm sure if that is still the plan we'll just have to wait... "for something official to be posted."

;)
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

TulsaTurbo

Quote from: Cookieboy on June 04, 2007, 04:56:45 PM
Dave (origional74) earlier suggested we meet at his house the morning of the show and all drive over together. I hope that is still the plan but will have to wait for something official to be posted.

If thats the plan then where is Daves(origional74) place located?

Cookieboystoys

preregister was only guarantied until June 1st and since most didn't preregister I'm with you High_Horse and going with the flow. Dave (origional74) earlier suggested we meet at his house the morning of the show and all drive over together. I hope that is still the plan but will have to wait for something official to be posted.

I hope to see you Wednesday night, I wanna be part of the Pinto convoy  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

High_Horse

I am not planning to preregister. I am going with the flow. My car certainly is not show worthy but I am attending to ride with the Pintos to all the events. Anybody making it from Kansas we are leaving thursday morning from Wichita.

                                                       High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Cookieboystoys

Yes Mike, the cost to show your car is $30.00

I hope you can make it, the condition of your car isn't as important as just having a cool Pinto! weekend.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pintaro

I went on the mid america website.now as far as I can tell,it is going to cost me $30 just to enter the carshow.Now I know my car is not show quality,its a decent everyday driver.So I know im not going to win anything.And with gas prices the way they are,I dont know if I can afford to come.Hell I dont want anything,I just wanted to show my PINTO support.
                           Mike.

Pintopower

Wait, Wait, Wait minute! Are you telling me that the Mid-US pinto meet will be the 14, 15, 16, and 17 of June? I will be there!!!! We are going to Tulsa to see the Unearthing of a Dodge, long story, but it is on the 15th!!!! Does that mean I can meet you guys there? I am taking my red 79, my buddy is taking his purple 79 and my other friend is driving his white 73 ranchero GT. You need to call me dave!!! 626-221-7681!!! I'll see you all there! Is it to late for me to resister?
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintony

Quote from: Original74 on May 15, 2007, 09:37:29 AM
The following hotels are near my house and about 5 miles away from the car show:

Holiday Inn Express
9010 E 71st St
Tulsa OK 74133
918-459-5321

Candalwood Suites
10008 E 73rd St S
tulsa OK 74133
918-294-9000

Hampton Inn and Suites
7141 S 85th E Ave
Tulsa OK 74133
918-294-3300

Fairfield Inn by Marriott
9020 E 71st St
Tulsa OK 74133
918-252-7754
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Cookieboystoys

Thanks for the info Dave,

1) show is Sunday only and the KOA is a reasonable distance from the show = good

Question = Does it cost anything to participate in the show? and is pre-registration required to be in the show on Sunday? just want to be sure on this.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Original74

The following hotels are near my house and about 5 miles away from the car show:

Holiday Inn Express
9010 E 71st St
Tulsa OK 74133
918-459-5321

Candalwood Suites
10008 E 73rd St S
tulsa OK 74133
918-294-9000

Hampton Inn and Suites
7141 S 85th E Ave
Tulsa OK 74133
918-294-3300

Fairfield Inn by Marriott
9020 E 71st St
Tulsa OK 74133
918-252-7754
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

Original74

Cookieboy,

Catoosa and the KOA are on the NE side of Tulsa and the show is on the SW side. All said, that is about a 15 mile drive, good roads and not traffic like MPLS. Probably a 20 minute drive.

The times I have shown at this show, guys just start lining up early Sunday morning, first come, first served. We could all meet at my house and drive over all at once. The show is about 5 miles west of my house on good roads.

I am posting below hotels that are close to my house and need to pick up some info on some other motel-like places on the outskirts.

Dave
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

Cookieboystoys

A Question....

events start on Wednesday the 13th and finish up on Sunday the 17th. When exactly is the "car show"? where we park our cars. Looks like Sunday only to me. I have no experience with this sort of thing and I am just wondering on when our little group will get our cars together for "the show." Is there a place to park them for the "show" and for how many days will they have cars parked for "the show."

7+ weeks away but need to start planning now if hotel/campground reservations are to be made.

I was thinking of staying at the KOA in Catoosa, OK anyone have any experience with this KOA and an idea on how far from the show it is?

click here for KOA Info ---> http://www.koa.com/where/ok/36106/

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

FCANON

What No Pinto Rancha Roo?

Looking good guys dont forget to spread the word to the other Pintos owners and freinds... this being the first year for a central meet , it will take a little more leg works and word of mouth.

Frank
www.pintoworks.com   www.tirestopinc.com
www.stophumpingmytown.com
www.FrankBoss.com

pintoguy76

Tulsa is close enough for me to go. What fees ar involved? Any to get into the show and park my '74 wagon there with all you guys?
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

Pintaro

I will definatly have to drive the GreenBean out to show my support.She could use a paint job,but it aint too bad.If i could get my son to slow down long enough to show me I would post pictures.
                                                                           Mike

Original74

Hey Tony,

Come on down! With that new van and trailer, you have no excuse! LOL Would love to see you make it. Hope it fits your schedule.

Dave
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

High_Horse

QuoteLooks like a GREAT place to in-vade the Cobras!!!
Very well put!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                              High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintony

Hello Dave,
I have looked at the photos and I "2nd" the nomination to have the 2007 Mid-West Pinto meet at this lo-cal.
Looks like a GREAT place to in-vade the Cobras!!! ;D

From Pintony

TulsaTurbo

Unless an emergency comes up, I'll be there. This gives me a reason to work on it now and make it, at the very least, presentable  :amazed:

High_Horse

Let me see........where is my Pinto calender........hmmmm....free, ok!!!!
I'll be there!!! June 14th-17th

                                                                                                             High_Horse
                                                                                                            Wichita,Kansas
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

FCANON

I will be there .... I will even try to bring the old Blue Car to Tulsa....

Frank
www.pintoworks.com   www.tirestopinc.com
www.stophumpingmytown.com
www.FrankBoss.com

Original74

Attention:  Please see the two links below for all the information on this meet!

2007 is here and it is time to begin planning attendance to one of the PCCA Regional Meets. This year, you will have three choices instead of one! This should make it easier to plan attendance to a meet closer to you. Or, attend them all!

The 2007 Central Regional Meet will be held in Tulsa, OK on June 14-17, in conjunction with the 33rd Annual Mid-America Ford Performance and Shelby Meet. Follow the link below to see all the attractions for this show.

http://www.midamericafordmeet.com/  This is the official show link.

http://www.midamericafordmeet.com/2007RegPacket.pdf  This is the pre-registration form link. Please look at this link as it has ALL the details along with discount hotel rate information.

I have attended this show twice in the past few years. It has a lot of activities for varied interests, open road racing if you so desire, a banquet, 1/4 mile track racing, swap meet and car show. If there is enough interest, I will host an Oklahome style smokin' barbecue at my home.

Let me know if you are interested in attending and I will help with any arrangements.
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver


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