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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

2nd Annual NATIONAL PINTO MEET, 2006 Carlisle Pa

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turbopinto72

FYI, There is serious discussion regarding regional events with the AdMin. Stay tuned.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

dirt track demon

I feel its time for one out west,  2 years ago it was discussed and agreed upon to have the meet in a different part of the country every year.

  It is time for a west coast fordpinto.com  event.

It is only fair.

  No-one is saying that there cant be regional gatherings, but as far as the once a year NATIONAL gathering it was agreed upon to be in a different location each year.  Check the archives if you dont agree.

But the cancun idea does sound pretty cool. ;) 
 
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

pintoman

Heck bring the Pintos.They will be the best cars there.
05 Pigon Forge Meet, 06 Carlile Meet Coordinator 06-07 Carlile Regional, Brief Case Award (ask)

CHEAPRACER

We can all meet in Cancun and leave our Pintos behind???????
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

turbopinto72

Good, we are having discussion. I think we should talk about it and have as many people way in as possible.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

pintoman

I am more than willing to have the group decide were to have the next gathering.I also believe that there should be a west coast gathering and a east coast one and that they all be sanctioned by PCCA.This country is to big to have every one make it to just one event,even though it would be assume if they could.I for one will still attend Carlisle next year and somewhere in the middle of this great country of ours if that is what the group wants.I would like to attend a gathering on the west coast if i have the money and time to do so.So if there is anyone out there that wants to set up a place to meet next year somewhere in the middle ,please speak up and let the group decide.If all goes well i will be there.I plan on going to as many Pinto meets as i can.Everyone speak up so we can start making plans now.PINTOMAN[HARLEY].
05 Pigon Forge Meet, 06 Carlile Meet Coordinator 06-07 Carlile Regional, Brief Case Award (ask)

dirt track demon

I would like to see it at carlisle again, BUT it wouldnt be fair to the good folks out on the west coast.  I personally like the idea of it being in a different part of the country every year, so that all members get a chance to go to one,  without having to remortgage their homes to go.   Think about it, in a car that gets 30 mpg it would be around 350 bucks worth of gas just for someone in Cali to drive all the way here to the show, not to mention food, lodgings, unexpected problems along the way, Imagine the expense of towing their pintos to Pa.  I couldnt afford to go to the pigeon forge one, so I waited til this year when it was closer and more economically feasible.  And I imagine that the people out west are waiting for the same thing.

  Just my 2 cents,  But i dont think it is fair that the decision as to where to have the meet next year be decided by the FEW of us that showed up at Carlisle and not the entire group.  Every member should have the chance to vote, we do live in a democracy after all.  If I'm out of line here please tell me.
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

r4pinto

I was under the impression it was voted at the pinto meet this year. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Could be, but who knows
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dirt track demon

Quote from: turbopinto72 on June 24, 2006, 07:13:08 PM
I did not get any responce to my question. Does that mean you will not be calling this a sanctioned Fordpinto.com event?  ???

  It doesn't appear that anyone has an answer to your question.  I think I understand what you are asking though.  Since no one has voted where to have the 2007 fordpinto.com meet,yet. I would say that they cant call it the fordpinto.com meet until it has been thru the voting process.  Is this where the confusion is?
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

phils toys

i was just wondering how every one is doing with the coloring books?
i passed out about 300  during a parade today.
Hay scott let me konw if yould like a few. i still have a bunch.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

turbopinto72

Quote from: turbopinto72 on June 17, 2006, 08:21:07 PM
Just to clear it up. What are you calling the "fordpinto.com event" ?

I did not get any responce to my question. Does that mean you will not be calling this a sanctioned Fordpinto.com event?  ???
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

CONSFIRE


r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

CONSFIRE

Good evening folks,
        Check out this web link.. HTTP://wwwcumberlink.com/articles/2006/06/14/news/news20text. Looks like the Carlisle Productions Group might be selling the grounds to the U.S. Army. I'm going to keep an eye on this for any new news.

68cyclone

Quote from: crazyhorse on June 15, 2006, 07:04:28 PM
Hey y'all It looks like a great time was had by all. I'm glad this years meet was headed up by more experienced people. I only wish i'd been able to take my 'Lil Horse up there. You know how it goes , it's all a matter of time & money. I had the time & no money LOL. All the cars I've seen look great.

Hey Dreambean, what'd ya pull on the dyno? Inquiring minds ya know.

Are we shooting for the 3rd annual? Maybe @ Carslile again, or maybe a more central usa locale?
Hey CrazyHorse:

I'd just like to say that I agree with Pintoman;  the '05 Meet was great!
WE had a BLAST!!

In "07 @ Carlisle we can double the attendance and have even more fun than we did this year!!!! (rembember IF YOU'RE EXPERIENCING "NO FEAR", YOU'RE NOT GOING FAST ENOUGH OR HAVING ENOUGH FUN!!!!!!

SEE YA'
Mike"68cyclone"Burton

turbopinto72

Quote from: pintoman on June 17, 2006, 03:39:32 PM
Hey turbopinto72.We are going next year for the show and the Ford Pinto.com event.Just like this year,we were there for are gathering and he all Ford nationals.Carlisle is a great place to get together with friends and other Pinto nuts.As far as i could tell everyone had a great time and they wanted to come back next year.So come over,up,or down for next years meet and have fun.

Just to clear it up. What are you calling the "fordpinto.com event" ?
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

pintoman

Hey turbopinto72.We are going next year for the show and the Ford Pinto.com event.Just like this year,we were there for are gathering and he all Ford nationals.Carlisle is a great place to get together with friends and other Pinto nuts.As far as i could tell everyone had a great time and they wanted to come back next year.So come over,up,or down for next years meet and have fun.
05 Pigon Forge Meet, 06 Carlile Meet Coordinator 06-07 Carlile Regional, Brief Case Award (ask)

postalpony

HEY DREAMBEAN

I AM A OK NOW, IT'S AMAZING HOW A LITTLE TOUCH OF THAT MAGIC ELIXER WILL GET YOU BACK IN THE REAL WORLD!!

THANKS FOR YOUR THOUGHTS.

                 OLD HILLJACK  POSTALPONY
1980 Hatchback was a "Postal Unit" on the
west coast in it's early life. Now residing
in Ohio, But we don't haul the U.S. Mail anymore;
Now all we do is HAUL!
5th gear 4700 rpm & still pullin'= 113+  mph

UPDATE-83.762 mph in 4th gear As verified by a W Va State Trooper-WITH 1 GEAR TO GO 6-2-11

DreamBean

Postalpony,
I hope you are feeling well now. I am so glad that we got to chat again.(us country boys gotta stick together)
Go Ford, Go Fast Or Go Home!

DreamBean

Crazyhorse,
I was disappointed with the numbers. BUT for a Stock ride and what it runs at the track, I am told I should me happy. Now I have a base number to start with before I proceed in a manner which may take me to the nut house, divorce court and the poor house.
I WANT MORE POWER!
Go Ford, Go Fast Or Go Home!

turbopinto72

Quote from: pintoman on June 16, 2006, 06:25:25 PM
Hey Crazyhorse.I think you did a great job last year.We all had a fantastic time in Pigeon Forge.Yes we are shooting for Carlisle again next year.Lets double our attendance next year.

So, I'm little confused. Are you guys saying you are "going to Carlisle for the show" or are you saying " you are going to Carlisle for a FordPinto.com event"????????
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

pintoman

Hey Crazyhorse.I think you did a great job last year.We all had a fantastic time in Pigeon Forge.Yes we are shooting for Carlisle again next year.Lets double our attendance next year.
05 Pigon Forge Meet, 06 Carlile Meet Coordinator 06-07 Carlile Regional, Brief Case Award (ask)

crazyhorse

Hey y'all It looks like a great time was had by all. I'm glad this years meet was headed up by more experienced people. I only wish i'd been able to take my 'Lil Horse up there. You know how it goes , it's all a matter of time & money. I had the time & no money LOL. All the cars I've seen look great.

Hey Dreambean, what'd ya pull on the dyno? Inquiring minds ya know.

Are we shooting for the 3rd annual? Maybe @ Carslile again, or maybe a more central usa locale?
How to tell when a redneck's time is up: He combines these two sentences... Hey man, hold my beer. Hey y'all watch this!
'74 Runabout, stock 2300,auto  RIP Darlin.
'95 Olds Gutless "POS"
'97 Subaru Legacy wagon "Kat"

postalpony

HELLO ALL IN PINTO LAND

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE "GATHERING" IN CARLISLE WAS ONE OF THE MOST ENJOYABLE I HAVE HAD SINCE I HAVE BEEN GOING THERE. IT WAS NICE TO BE WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE SAME "MENTAL DERANGEMENT" AS FAR AS OUR LOVE OF THESE WONDERS OF FORD MOTOR COMPANY.

I MADE THE 760 MI. ROUND TRIP WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE CAR-BUT I WAS ANOTHER STORY, SEEMS THAT THE SALAD BAR AT RUBY TUESDAYS IN CUMBERLAND,MD. WASN'T ALL THAT SANITARY---BINGO SEVERE FOOD POISINING, IT TOOK ME A WEEK TO RECOVER [BIG OLD SISSY I GUESS],BUT I RECOVERED. JUST FOR INFO WHEN I LEFT WHEELING, WVA & GOT  ON RT 70 EAST, THERE WAS ONLY 2 CARS PASSED US IN 100 MILES ONE M-B & 1 LINCOLN, ILL BET THE TRUCKERS WERE TALKING UP A STORM, FROM BEING BLOWN AWAY BY A LOWLY PINTO WITH THE HAMMER DOWN.

                     TAKE CARE  I WILL CHAT WITH YOU LATER
                                  DICK MATHIAS
1980 Hatchback was a "Postal Unit" on the
west coast in it's early life. Now residing
in Ohio, But we don't haul the U.S. Mail anymore;
Now all we do is HAUL!
5th gear 4700 rpm & still pullin'= 113+  mph

UPDATE-83.762 mph in 4th gear As verified by a W Va State Trooper-WITH 1 GEAR TO GO 6-2-11

r4pinto

Oh yes. The coloring books. My boss's kid as well as my friends kid both love coloring in the Pintos. I have begun to corrupt the next generation.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

phils toys

r4pinto You forgot to mention the coloring books
look in the bric-a-brac section under fun stuff  and the Pam and Pete in pinto land  was reproduced for the show and the PCCA logo was incorporated into it on a car.

2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

r4pinto

beer bottle openers, budweiser magnets, fresh cherries pintos, magazines. But no beer to go with the openers.

What's up with that?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dirt track demon

Glad everybody made home.  I didn't get to spend as much time getting to meet everyone as I wanted to, I spent friday and saturday burning paychecks, and I was planning on spending sunday hanging out and shootin the breeze, but it didnt happen. What was in the goodie bags anyway? 
Favorite place to race:on the xbox

Fomoco's biggest achievement:
The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

78squirewagon

I am all for a Midwest meet and will even organize the event. I have posted a couple of ideas for the 2008 Pinto Nationals taking place in the Milwaukee area but if you want a Fall show, let's do it. I just wish I could have made it to Carlisle but with a new job, I did not have the vacation time and really dont trust driving my wagon that far.
Just let me know what you think about a show here

Mark
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)


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