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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Warhorse - 1979 V8 Drag n Drive / Bracket Car Project

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firepinto

I began my axle swap project with my Granada 8.7 and Calvert Racing goodies.  Still having trouble getting the front leaf spring bolts out.  I had hoped to reuse the spring shackles and hangers, but no luck.  The bushings wore away and the bolts almost wore through the hangers.  I can find rubber bushing replacements, but everything else is not available.  I will try getting a set from the junkyard, but odds are they will be bad too lol.  Might have to fabricate my own hanger, but I dont want to spend a lot of time on it.  Down the road I would like to put spring sliders on. 


https://youtube.com/shorts/9bGtBVu2ymE?feature=share


I guess I know why it handled so bad now.
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

Wittsend

LOL, after looking down inside your rear end for over an hour I think I deserve a honorary degree in Proctology!

Kidding aside hope you make the right choices and get what you want/need. Likely too wide but I sold the donor Turbo Coupe 3.55 Posi and four '88 Turbo Coupe wheels for $125. Hope you can find a similar deal in your area.

firepinto

I got all the seals in the axle, got a brake job on one side done.  I found one spider gear had real bad wear on the pin it rides on.  I just cleaned it up and put it back together.  We will see how it goes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bchYsZM4IAE

I think I will be gathering parts to modify an Explorer 8.8 axle with 3.55 gears.
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

firepinto

'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

firepinto

Doing some searching, and found someone may have put 8.8 lockers in an 8.5/8.7?

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/ford-8-5-rear-axle.270912/

Maybe I could put an 8.8 mini spool in it?
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

firepinto

Well I found the gasket, pretty cheap even!  Summit also has it for $8 and verifies that it is for a 8.5 or 8.7.  But Amazon is slashing prices on it.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fel-rds55003


https://www.amazon.com/FEL-PRO-RDS-55003-Cover-Diff/dp/B000C2AMAY
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

firepinto

I ran into a snag with the axle I bought to swap into the Pinto for V8 power and 5 lug conversion.  It will still solve the 5 lug issue but will have 2.47 gears.  Apparently it is a Ford WER 8.7 axle that all parts are discontinued on.  It was from a V8 car, but will not be a good candidate for racing.

https://odysee.com/@firepinto:4/ford-axle-not-8.8-not-8:1?r=7AfRadTDoboqyWTcQBBHUa7mvkaVyYqe

It will still go in the car for now, while I drive it on 4 cylinder power.  On the plus side, it is in very good condition inside.  Probably will get awesome gas mileage, which will be a good thing with the current clown show going on in the economy. lol Now to find a cover gasket...

I don't know if I'd be able to find better gears.  I think the lowest I've seen for these WER axles is 3.25.  I will probably start gathering parts to do the Explorer 8.8 axle modification.  One side gets cut down to use another short axle, making it a centered differential. 
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

Wittsend

"Good thing this is a summer car. Lol"

Did you mean to say, "Good thing, this is a Fourth of July Car." ;D

firepinto

Pulled the Pinto out to bring the snow plow in for repairs.  That air dam is sitting low!  I eyeball it with the bottom of the floor.  Good thing this is a summer car. Lol
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

Wittsend

In my Sunbeam Tiger world they suffer from cooling issues. There are holes in the radiator cradle for the horn and they deliberately get blocked off because when idling the (hot) air that pushes out the back of the radiator just recirculates through the horn holes back through the radiator in a continuous loop. Even more importantly at speed the air pressure under the car inhibits the hot air in the engine compartment from escaping. Someone found out that an air dam would force air around rather than under the car creating a negative pressure and assisting in evacuating the hot air. Very useful those air dams. Some have used garden edging with the hollow round top. They slit the top and slide it over the sway bar, then cut notches and secure it with hose clamps.

firepinto

A little update to what is going on with the pinto:


https://youtu.be/1eACUa_iXoU

She is getting an air dam!
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

firepinto

Tom Bailey just announced on his youtube channel that Sick Summer is a go!  Sounds like tickets will go on sale December first.  Warhorse has an official deadline now. 


In case anyone is interested: https://www.sickthemagazine.com/sick-summer 


I wouldn't mind not being the only Pinto out there. lol
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

firepinto

All good points I can agree with.  This car will be a slow evolution from street car to more drag car orientated.  I don't want to go so far into the drag car territory that it can't be driven on the street.  That wouldn't be good for the drag week plans.  Eventually it will need a safety cage.  With this 302 Windsor I don't have any plans to spice up the engine any more than Mercury Marine already did.  I'm mainly just doing an aluminum fly wheel and underdrive alternator pulley for less losses, 4 barrel intake and MSD ready to run distributor.


I really really don't want to get crazy with the hooker headers that send a pair of pipes through the fenders, or the set that runs them under the cross member.  I haven't done one of these drag and drive event weeks before, but just making it from track to track seems like the hardest part.  Simplicity would be a big bonus.  For now I need to keep a small budget and save the big money for a new trans, bellhousing and clutch, and would really like some QA1 suspension up front.  For next year the cast manifolds will have to do, but I want to weld up some of my own log style manifolds similar to the "stainless headers.com log style turbo headers".  Except they would be flipped back to the conventional rearward direction, and perhaps have some turn down pipe built in.  The back half of the car already has full 3" exhaust from the transmission to the rear bumper.   A Summit glass pack inline with a Flowmaster Super 44 at the tail end.  I'm figuring 2.5" pipe from headers to a Y pipe into 3".  But, I can't fabricate any of that until I have everything in the car.


My real end game goal for this car is to run a 351 Cleveland block.  That will be the point that I start to turn up the power and actually try to be competitive.  There may or may not be a hole in the hood for a dual quad tunnel ram intake or other craziness.  I will try to stay a little period correct with the 70's, but might venture into fuel injection. lol For now I call that the dream.  Setting small goals for now.
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

Wittsend

What else are your options that don't cost significantly? If this is a street car you want torque more than you want HP at a high RPM (where headers matter most). I can't account for these Ford cast manifolds but years ago there was a dyno test with a mildly built Mopar 360. They tested everything form lowly cast 318 exhaust to TTI headers that cost $800+. At 5,800 RPM the difference was all of 10 HP. You don't want to fight perpetual fitment/leak issues which on a tight fit can be difficult to remedy.

SBF heads are known to not flow well compared to others. The exhaust manifolds are probably not as limiting a factor as you might think especially when attached to mufflers. Especially back in the 60's/70's they would do test where the stock cast manifolds, SINGLE, small diameter pipe, restrictive muffler was replaced by headers -  AND dual, large pipes and freer flowing mufflers. And then they would claim headers added 20 HP. Comparing apples to oranges.


I always take a die grinder to my heads and manifolds. Remove what you can of any casting flash. In your mind follow the exhaust flow and remember it has inertia. Focus on the curves. You can't get too deep but do what you can. I also focus on the outlet and can get the opening about 1/8" larger. Not sure if any of this helps but half the joy is thinking that it does and feeling good about that.

entropy

Given the dismal power numbers of the V8 MIIs, I'd be a bit worried about how restrictive those manifolds are.  Maybe it's possible to extrude hone the hell out of them...?
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

firepinto

I picked up some mustang II exhaust manifolds from Ebay.  I chose the shorter style for the passenger side.  It is a D8 casting while the driver side is a D5 casting. The passenger side manifold looks like it will flow much better than the driver's side, I'm hoping that isn't too muck of an issue.

https://odysee.com/@firepinto:4/20221017_193705:c?r=7AfRadTDoboqyWTcQBBHUa7mvkaVyYqe
https://odysee.com/@firepinto:4/20221017_193724:e?r=7AfRadTDoboqyWTcQBBHUa7mvkaVyYqe
https://youtube.com/shorts/Os6wbeeFVaM?feature=share
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

firepinto

So I've been reading over the rules for "Sick Summer", or all the Sick week drag weeks.  Looking at the classes, I could run Stick Shift, but may have trouble meeting the 3000 pound minimum weight.  I'm thinking of the 275 Street Race category.  Problem is they require all seats, and finished interior with optional headliner.  Also the floor boards need to have factory shape.  My floors are mostly gone lol.  I had ripped out the back seat years ago, and the carpet pretty much rotted away.


Rock Auto does have a good selection of new carpets in the $200+ range.   Also found front floor panels with factory style shape stamped in them for like $360 something on ebay. 


Today I made another junkyard run to the newly arrived 79 Pinto wagon.  Had plans on getting the back seat, but after clearing the entire back end out of scrap metal, and flipped up the seat, I gave up.  Huge mouse nest.  Like old enough to rot into dirt.  So I took the grill and headlight trim for spares, since a factory looking grill is also required.  Also got some black arm rests and center tray. 


So I made my way to the 71 Mustang II V6.  It has plush white vinyl seats.  The front seats didn't look terrible, the driver seat was starting to tear some.  I flipped up the back seat and it looked great.  Got them pulled out and was charged $73.50 for all my goodies. 


It has some black marks on it that I think will clean up.  I hope it bolts right in to a Pinto, but really it just needs to look like a seat. I thought about getting the front seats, but really I'll be getting real racing seats in the future.  My interior is going to look crazy with a bunch of different colors. lol
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

firepinto

Got myself the Milodon pan.  Thanks to the people here who have posted about it in the past. Sure wasn't cheap, but for a USA made part that I don't need to modify, I'll take it.  Did some research on Milodon since I haven't heard of them.  They have strong roots in vintage drag racing, so I feel it is a no brainer.  Sure gives me the itch to get a dual quad carb setup on a tunnel ram manifold though!

https://odysee.com/@firepinto:4/20221013_193225:4?r=7AfRadTDoboqyWTcQBBHUa7mvkaVyYqe
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

rob289c

Keep it going...I will be pushing my project into the corner for the Winter so I will be interested in reading about your project.
rob289c

firepinto

Here is a pic of the granada that donated the 8" axle I will start with.  I have seals and new wheels studs in hand.  Might just put a mini spool in it. It has 2.47 gears, and I'd rather have a 9" with removable carrier for when power gets serious. So I don't think I'll change gears for now.
https://odysee.com/@firepinto:4/20220611_105358:9?r=7AfRadTDoboqyWTcQBBHUa7mvkaVyYqe
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

firepinto

I'm not sure about the cam, but I've seen people say they are close to a truck cam?  I know it is a 351w or 302 HO firing order.  They took a grinder to the intake manifold to delete on the firing order. They also say it has 351 heads on it, which in 1973 had bigger valves.  I was able to verify 351 casting marks when I removed the intake manifold.  I am curious to see what it will dyno with an Edelbrock Performer 289 manifold, 600 cfm 4 barrel, underdrive alternator pulley and aluminum flywheel.
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

Wittsend

I'm curious what cam is in the Mercruiser engine. A lot of times boat engines will use a cam that is best suited for the narrow, constant 3,500-4,000 RPM range a boat engine runs in. Not much on the bottom end because the prop to water slippage is like a high stall convertor and not too much on the top end because..., well they don't want you revving the engine very high for lengthy periods.


Update - curious I did some checking. This Melling cam https://partshawk.com/melling-syb-35-engine-camshaft.html seems to be the OEM replacement. It looks to have a bit more duration and lift than a stock cam that are typically in the 260 (190@.050) duration and .400 lift range:



SPECIFICS:
Advertised Exhaust Duration304 / Exhaust Duration at .050 inch Lift 221

Advertised Intake Duration283 /
Intake Duration at .050 Inch Lift 206

Exhaust Valve Lift .453Intake Valve Lift .445

firepinto

I have some videos on my youtube channel of the Pinto resurrection in this play list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J47qIZ-UugY&list=PL-fSLQPUfbT9CuWtD7hPnMX6eeaNjHDSA

Also a Mercruiser 188 play list, which will be the first V8 to go in the car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7E8wxrpycY&list=PL-fSLQPUfbT_gIrswvo8VYtz5VnTZwo89

Be warned the "shorts" videos are mostly dumb and mocking YouTube. lol

'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

dga57

As rob289c said, that's an interesting project!  I think the "Stars and Stripes" theme is going to look amazing!  I'm looking forward to following your progress.

Dwayne :)
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firepinto

Lets take a little step back in time with some more pictures.  This is just after getting it back out again.  I think the new starter was the project at the time:

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The Rustoleum restoration begins:

https://odysee.com/@firepinto:4/20210926_103339:d?r=7AfRadTDoboqyWTcQBBHUa7mvkaVyYqe

The Eastwood Triflow GM style radiator installed:

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An engine bay view with the new radiator and my old modified air cleaner:

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And my first floor patch on the driver side in the rear:

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'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

rob289c

Interesting project!  Keep it going and keep us informed!
rob289c

firepinto

'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

firepinto


Here is a later picture of the paint:
https://odysee.com/@firepinto:4/20220724_173948:7?r=7AfRadTDoboqyWTcQBBHUa7mvkaVyYqe

I'm currently taping off the passenger side stripes.  Front will be gloss blue with stars!
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!

firepinto

So I pulled the old 79 hatchback out of the tree row and got it running again.  Plans are to work the kinks out of it with the 2.3L until the V8 and TKX trans are ready to go in. I picked up a Mercruiser 188 boat motor real cheap, and working on converting the long block to car mode.


I will get pics added soon, but let's start with what is already done or acquired so far:

       
  • Eastwood Triflow GM style radiator installed. (2.3 location)
  • Speedway Motors 5 Lug 11" front brake rotor conversion.
  • 14x7 American Racing wheels (Old and rusty from my 73 Mach 1)
  • 8" non removable carrier axle from a Granada, not installed needs seals. (2.47 gears ugh)
Next big purchases :

       
  • Tremec TKX 5 speed
  • Quick time SFI bellhousing
  • McLeod clutch
  • Drive shaft
  • Headers / manifolds
  • Engine mounts (make?)
  • Front coil springs
The goal is to be complete by next summer to make "Sick Summer" drag week, if it actually becomes an event. I will need to refresh my memory on Mustang ii motor mounts and why the driver side frame mount needs to be moved back one inch.  If I can make my own solid mounts that would eliminate that, I'd want to go that way.


More to come.
'79 Pinto auto hatch back with an '80 2.3L and 4 speed transplant.  A 2.3 Turbo and T5 are waiting for the next transplant.

Plans changed, going V8 with TKX!


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