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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Ranger Cam for a 87 Turbo Coupe Engine for my '74 Pangra

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pinto_one

I checked on the roller cams when collecting parts for my next project , came across a few things on the cams and roller arms ,  the site ranger station and a few others on the net , a few roller cams were diffrent and the roller arms were also , first sliders were 1.50 to one but do not care about those , first gen rollers were 1,64 , got those , last gen was 1.84 or 1.86 , but you have to widen the rails for the valve stem .061 for them to work on the older engines , got those also along with the cam, also got a bridge port to mill to fit , the cam i have is out of a ranger 2.3 along with the duel plug head , the other is out of a LRG425 industral  (2.5 engine) which i got for the crank , NOT looking for high RPM horsepower , rather this engine will never see over 2700 RPM ever , unless I am in a dive , its going into a home built aircraft that was designed around 1929 using a for model A engine , A Pietenpol , I am looking for low speed torque , anything i get as long as it is over 50 HP a 2700 RPM will work fine , duel plugs like an aircraft , same weight a the old model A , plus side is this engine engine is very reliable , cheep and easy to take care of , I race them back in the late 70,s and you could not destroy it unless you drained the oil and water from it or hit a tree at sub light speed , figure in six months I will have it on a test stand to find out what combo works , advanced cam timing I will also try , got a adjustable cam sprocket , also the holes in the roller cam that lube the rollers are smaller which will help oil pressure , will post photos when up and running ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

65ShelbyClone

What is? The whole thread?

I hate to throw more fuel on an old fire, but I have seen plenty of big fat errors in factory service manuals. Honda published several in the '90s (and never changed them AFAIK) that show completely incorrect diagrams of how an engine's lubrication system works.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

dick1172762

Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Wittsend

Ummm..., maybe not. If the later roller cam has a smaller lift (.2163) than the early roller cam lift (.2381) AND the same roller rocker ratio (stamped or cast) as many have stated how can the end result lift be the same???

Based on the fact that many are saying the end lift result is the same regardless the of early or late cams with their associated rockers then:

1. If the early/late cam lift is different then the early and late roller rockers HAVE TO HAVE different ratios.

2. If the early/late cam lifts are the same then there CAN'T be different roller rocker ratios.

Unfortunately information available states that cam lift and roller rocker ratios are different. Reliable information?  Who knows? I've seem people argue that the total lift on the two roller setups are the same. And they argue that the rocker ratios are the same on the early and late roller rockers. Yet, they never dispute that the cam lift is different.


So, until I see pictures (or video) of a stock early roller setup and a stock late roller setup really showing the same total lift I'm skeptical of the "end result is the same" statements.

And until I see the early and late cams really having different CAM lifts I'll be skeptical.

And until I see the same, or different lifts with the early and later roller rockers on the SAME roller cam I'll be skeptical of roller rocker ratios.

To me a lot of people are talking - nobody is yet proving.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

65ShelbyClone

This issue recently came up (again) on turboford.org and I was reminded of this thread. One of the members had done that experiment back in 2005 and the conclusions were:

1.) All the roller followers have the same ratio. Stamped or cast, early or late, doesn't matter.

2.) Roller followers have a ratio of 1.85:1.

3.) The Ranger's smaller lobes coupled with higher ratio followers makes the actual valve timing and lift events indistinguishable from a factory turbo slider cam....like within 0.010" and 2°.

http://forum.turboford.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=000019
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

74 PintoWagon

Well, guess there's only one way to set the record straight, "EXPERIMENT" and document it.. :D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Wittsend

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on June 06, 2015, 09:35:05 PM
Interesting read.. :)

http://www.4m.net/archive/index.php/t-318610.html

And all part of the inconclusive, showing no proof arguments that BOTH sides are making.  I guess the board is living up to its title "4m.net - The Most Opinionated Racing Message Board In The Universe." LOL  There is one post I can agree with (in bold):
"Here are 2 things that might cause a problem. ... the way you increase the ratio is to move the roller closer to the lash adjuster. I believe this will cause the intake to open later and the exhaust to open earlier if you use a cam made for 1.64 followers. How much it will affect the cam timing and performance I don't know."  I thank him for his un-opinionated honesty.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

65ShelbyClone

The 8993 head gasket works fine for stock turbo applications. Some have made 10-second power them and they are only $12. As for head bolts, if you have the old 12pt ones, then reuse them instead of buying overpriced one-time-use TTA bolts.

I guess to boil down this thread:

Any Ranger/B2300/B2500 roller cam will work.

You need pre-1995 roller followers for the 11/32" valves in a turbo head.

The parts may still be available new, but they'll be expensive. I got my used Ranger cam and followers for $45 OTD. Most bundled "kits" from junkyard pulls will be about $120.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Wittsend

Quote from: dick1172762 on June 06, 2015, 10:20:11 AM
Why not just turn down the diameter of the valve stem to fit the late rocker arms. BUT the members of the 4m.net mini stock web site all say the ratios are the same on early verse late rocker arms.

And that brings me back to what I said above. They all "SAY" these things, but no one is showing the two different rockers with the cam at full lift.  It stands to reason that IF the newer cam has a lesser lift at the cam (and it is stated as such) then to get a similar overall lift (which some say is the end result) the rocker ratio would have to be different. And if the newer rocker can function either with a widened slot or a narrower valve tip then the concept is at least feasible to try. The end results may not be desirable (see my advance/retard comment above) but until tested we don't know.

Regarding my concept of widening the slot over turning the valve stem; I am approaching the concept as an economical way of potentially adding power. I can pick up a full set of roller rockers for $16 at a Pick Your Part 50% off sale. The concept of widening the slots over turning the valves does not require pulling the head. The cost of a 1035 head gasket and TTY bolts alone cost roughly $120 - just to pull the head! So, it is not a cheap proposition, especially when your doing it for $16 rockers.  And, yes I realize there is a cheaper gasket, but you are still in the $60 range going that less desired route.  Also, one is probably more incline to have a Dremel with a cut off disc to widen slots than a lathe to turn the valve stem.

Anyway, as I stated above I'm only looking to the feasibility of the concept (in an economical way).  At this point I think the alterations to overlap might be more of a concern than any of the other issues I've read.

dick1172762

Why not just turn down the diameter of the valve stem to fit the late rocker arms. BUT the members of the 4m.net mini stock web site all say the ratios are the same on early verse late rocker arms.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Srt

For what it's worth. I used to run a pinto with a turbo & I never used anything other than a stone cold stock Ford cam.
My car was a 2.0 though.
It never stopped me from going fast . was reliable & cheap.
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Bigtimmay

I installed my ranger cam due to the fact my slider was so wore out the followers could just slide out with very little effort.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

Wittsend

The thing I find interesting is that those who say it works never have any proof that it does. Like in, they never tried it. And those who say it doesn't work (surprise) don't show any proof that it doesn't. Like in, they never tried it.  From what I can distill the later model rockers need to have about .060 (total) or .030 each side removed from the rocker guide (others have suggested turning the upper valve stem instead).

If one is articulate with a Dremel and a cut-off disc that shouldn't be too difficult. And remember, you are only cutting the sides so a large portion of the valve tip to rocker contact area (I'll guess at least 80%) will still be  hardened. I doubt the side forces on the guides are much to be concerned about.  I'd say this is at least feasible for trying.

The only way to increase the ratio is to move the roller towards the lifter (assuming it is already closer to the valve). I'd think that requires the roller be smaller to compensate. And this would seem to delay (intake)/advance (exhaust) valve events thus decreasing overlap ( ??? input from others appreciated). If the roller (in stock form) sat directly over the center of the cam then altering its relationship in either direction would decrease lift.  However, from what I can see on a slider head/cam it appears the contact point is closer to the valve.

  Should this all be feasible cam characteristics could also be altered further by running a combination of new and older rockers.

Anyway, I'm not trying to claim this works. I'm only trying to look the process through its steps and see it on paper.

65ShelbyClone

I have a mill to use so the process is fairly trivial(if I wanted to do it); I just don't know if the rockers are case-hardened or through-hardened.

I already have an early Ranger roller cam, but have been dragging my feet on the install because it's not a performance cam and I might as well pop the head off and port everything if I'm that far in....and install bigger injectors...and the intercooler....and bigger turbo....and down the slippery slope I go.  :o
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Pintocrazed

I'VE READ ABOUT THIS BACK WHEN I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA GET A PINTO WITH A 2.3 AND A FEW SAID YOU JUST OPEN THE NEWER ROCKER A BIT TO FIT AND THEY WORKED GREAT

Wittsend

And then there is that whole discussion about using the newer rocker arms with an older head/cam.  One of these days I'm going to grab a newer rocker at Pick a Part (they are only $1 on sale days), grind the valve slot and see for myself exactly what the end result is. Some argue the "theory" while others say it can't be done. I don't know that either has convinced me.

65ShelbyClone

The difference in roller followers happened when Ford switched from 11/32" valve stems to 8mm, which I think happened for the '95 model year.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Pintopower

Wow awesome guys! I will go pluck one from the scrap yard. This information was very helpful.
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Rebolting73

Here what an 89 Ranger looks like.  I lifted the head to get the cam over the radiator frame at Pick-n-Pull. Runs fine.

Bigtimmay

89-96 rangers but id just stick with the earlier ones cause later have the wrong roller followers I got mine out of a 90 ranger also mustang 91-93 have them too. Basically your just looking for a dual plug (8 spark plug) 2.3.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

Wittsend

I put the Ranger Roller in my '88 Turbo engine. From what I understand the end result of the cams are all the same lift/duration wise. However there is a change (sorry, don't know they exact year) and you have to match the cam/rockers etc. to your head.  I think it is about pre 93-94 you would be looking for. Because they are roller the wear issue is minimal.

In my case I sourced the parts from a self wrecking yard (Pick Your Part) in So. Cal.. They have monthly 50% off sales and I got the cam and the roller rockers "out the door" for right about $25. If your profile is correct you are in the lower bay area and have Pick N Pull's in your area.  They list cams in the $29-$34 range ( their parts list is somewhat confusing).  Rocker arms are $5 ea. X8 = $40. So, I'd think it is about $75 OTD unless they have sales days.  For comparison Pick Your Part Charges $25 for the cam with a $2 core and rocker arms are $2 each. So, their regular price is $43 and as I stated about $23 on their 50% off days.

I haven't looked in a while, but I recall seeing pulled Ranger Roller cams/rockers going for about $100 on Ebay.  My recollection was that getting the cam to slide out over radiator area (mine came out of a Mustang) was difficult. So, a pulled cam setup has its appeal.

Hope this helps and maybe someone can give better advice about the year cut-off for the proper cam/rockers.  Otherwise it is a pretty simple swap.


Pintopower

Hey guys, I am assembling my 2.3 turbo and wanted to install the Ranger roller cam into it. I am set on the Ranger cam as I like stock parts on my cars. I expect my engines to run without issue for at least a quarter million miles. I have better things to do than mess with stupidity on my cars.


The plan:
1. A stock turbo set up with the only difference being the cam. The whole motor has been balanced to zero grams. I don't know if this matters but the inter cooler will be moved to the front of the car in the massive cavity behind the Pangra's front bumper, in front of the massive AC condenser.
2. The AC system going on this car is much more important than the turbo as I don't care at all about speed and power but care massively about my comfort. 4 of my Pinto's have modern car competitive AC which makes my wife a very happy person. The only reason for the turbo setup is that it is a genuine Pangra with the only 2.3 ever installed in one.
3. The other thing that will alter the performance is the removal of the serpentine belt in favor of the v-belts to give an authentic Ak Miller appearance.
4. The EFI should completely remain the same.


So the issue is, what year ranger is the most desirable? Is there a kit that can be purchased? Are these all scrapyard parts? Your help is infinitely appreciated.
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.


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