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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

A 1972 turbo swap adventure

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65ShelbyClone

Thanks for the photos.  8) Yours looks almost like a factory install. I think I have it a little bit easier since my '86 harness only has one grommet. Most of the unused wires can also be reused or allocated  for extra fun EFI features like boost control, fan control, water injection, 2nd O2 sensor, flex fuel sensor, etc.

I just spent a bunch more money on parts. Driveshaft, u-joints, gaskets, bearings, oil, and I forget what else for now.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Wittsend

OK, here are the two firewall pictures where I went through the firewall.  As I said I used the '88 harness and took the, "what do I have to remove approach." In retrospect I should have probably taken the, "what do I need to keep approach."  Both the rubber grommets are factory. Even after I sifted though the ride control, A/C etc., etc., I had about 20 wire I was unsure of. I have since deleted most - after I got it running right.

Regardless it doesn't stay too pretty using all the factory stuff.  I guess it was just my fear of removing something I would need to be put back - but not being sure what "it" was.



65ShelbyClone

I got it out of a '96-98 Mustang V6. They can be found in many other years and models from around '94+. The trick is finding one with the right case. My 3G has all the 1G mounting points, but the adjuster ear isn't threaded. It requires either a bolt and nut to hold it or possibly installing a 3/8" thread insert.

Quote from: Wittsend on August 07, 2014, 12:48:33 AM
1.) I used the dreaded '88 harness I had from the donor car. I put the ECU in the kick panel area just like the T-Bird.  I used the T-Bird Factory triangular shaped grommet and ran it in near the upper corner of the heater box.  Since your donor car is an '86 that may be all you need. BTW, after the Merkur harness I hear the '86 is desirable.
  I also had a round grommet and wires that I ran in about 3" from the factory Pinto passage.  Lastly, I used the T-Bird steering column and that added to the wire count.  I'll see if I can snap a few pictures tomorrow.

2.) And, yes, I almost went and looked at the Simi Valley car.  It was only about 8 miles away.  But, I've got too many project competing for my time and money.  Glad to see it is becoming a very nice car.

1.) Thanks for the run down. I will admit that I have not yet surveyed the interior for places to put the EFI harness. I am reluctant to make another big hole in the firewall. I wanted to put my ECU behind the console area and the big factory grommet looks to be close, so a round one like stock, but with two holes might make it easier to do.

I'm going to be using a MegaSquirt standalone ECU so the whole package will be about 40% smaller than the stock ECU/plug/harness.

2.) Thanks.  ;) It's going to get nicer. One of my goals after the swap is to respray it when the weather isn't too hot and before it gets too cool. Here in the high desert that typically gives me a 7-14 day window.  ::)
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

don33

what year/model car did you get that 130 amp jewel out of ?

Wittsend

I used the dreaded '88 harness I had from the donor car. I put the ECU in the kick panel area just like the T-Bird.  I used the T-Bird Factory triangular shaped grommet and ran it in near the upper corner of the heater box.  Since your donor car is an '86 that may be all you need. BTW, after the Merkur harness I hear the '86 is desirable.
  I also had a round grommet and wires that I ran in about 3" from the factory Pinto passage.  Lastly, I used the T-Bird steering column and that added to the wire count.  I'll see if I can snap a few pictures tomorrow.

And, yes, I almost went and looked at the Simi Valley car.  It was only about 8 miles away.  But, I've got too many project competing for my time and money.  Glad to see it is becoming a very nice car.

65ShelbyClone

Question for anyone else with a 2.3T swap, espeically in a '71-73 car: how did you handle running the EFI harness into the cabin?

Quote from: Reeves1 on August 06, 2014, 10:43:40 AM
Having the engine out will make it lighter for shipping me that nice car  ;D

You don't want it; it's rotten. See how green it is?

Quote from: Wittsend on August 06, 2014, 06:31:29 PM
I don't think I've ever seen your car before. Is that the green car that was on Craig's List in Simi Valley a number of months ago?

Sounds like the same one.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Wittsend

I don't think I've ever seen your car before. Is that the green car that was on Craig's List in Simi Valley a number of months ago?

Reeves1

Having the engine out will make it lighter for shipping me that nice car  ;D

65ShelbyClone

My first gear is the really steep 4.03 one, so the 3.00s won't be a problem taking off, but overdrive is going to be mostly useless.

I crunched the numbers manually and my car will do a scoche over 2600rpm at 65mph in 4th and about 2100 in 5th with 3.00s. 3.40 gears would bring that up to ~2450 in 5th and 3.55s would do about 2600. Decisions, decisions.

Here is my 130A Jewel of the Pile:


I took it apart to clean and repack the bearings, dress the commutator, and managed to break the brushes, so there's another $9 toward the project. At least it will be practically rebuilt and won't even break a sweat with the electric fan, lights, and EFI going.

And here is what I spent my evening doing:
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Wittsend

When I first got my Turbo Pinto going I had the 3.00 with 215-60-14" tires. 65 MPH was about 2000 RPM.  The worst part was that for any given "legal" speed the gearing just seemed to be wrong. Up shifting bogged and down shifting was RPMs with little torque multiplication.

Eventually I got a 3.40 rear and am currently running 175-70-13".  For general driving it is MUCH better.  65 MPH is now about 2600 RPM.  I'm going to a slightly taller tire soon. I've got a pair of 205-60-13". I'm also looking at going back to 14" tires too.  I've got about four different wheel tires combinations to try between my Sunbeam Tiger and my Pinto.

65ShelbyClone

I would like to go with 3.40 or 3.55 gears and a T-Lok. For now it's going to get used as it is. The legs are going to be pretty long with overdrive.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

don33

they did go into production, I had one, same 3.00, out of a 67 falcon. found it in a jy. but anyway, that's neither here nor there. you going to put a spool or something in it ? change the ratio ?

65ShelbyClone

It's just a common 3.00 open diff. OEM 8in Traction-Lok carriers are like hen's teeth. In fact, I'm not sure Ford ever used them in production.

It needs a pinion seal too. Fortunately I have another 8in rear that doesn't, so I may swap the third members when I'm replacing the axle bearings and seals.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

don33

nice 8", what ratio is it ?  trac lock ?

65ShelbyClone

In other news, part of a Mustang II Mach 1 headed for certain death will instead better the life my Pinto.

'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

65ShelbyClone

That sounds like DRHaulsee. He has a fleet of nice Euro Capris, including one with a Volvo head. Thanks for the lead, it gives me more to go by as I further wear out TF's search engine.  ;D

In other news, I didn't like my first alternator bracket. It seemed kind of flexy, so I rebuilt it with more substantial material. Then I mocked-up the belt and it hit the lower bolts. Then I found out the spacers I made just happened to allow the adjuster to be run behind the lower bracket, so now only one bolt is in the way. I think I can shave the head down and make it work or countersink the bracket and use a different bolt.




Quote from: turbopinto72 on July 23, 2014, 01:37:38 PM
What kind of info do you need on " that car " ?

Specifically: perhaps what was done to adapt the 4.6L elbow to the lower intake and how well it worked. It looks like new holes were put in the flange it was bolted to a square EFI lower.

Generally: maybe a rundown of the mods and how the car performed. I thought it was your Pinto and tried searching, but the most Icould easily find was the picture I posted and a smaller one like it on bob2000.com
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

don33

I plan on redesigning my under hood plumbing in the future. I will use a different header, one that tilts the turbo more towards the fender and a bit lower. on the intake side, instead of the upper mounted on top, it will be mounted on the side towards the fender. I have kind of mocked it up like that and it will all fit under a stock hood.  ;D.....   but back to your setup. I think one of the guys on TF used that piece on his euro capri and it worked well. so I see no problems on your setup.

turbopinto72

What kind of info do you need on " that car " ?
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

65ShelbyClone

Tomayto, tomahto.  ;)

Anyway, this is the thing I bought:


in order to make a setup reminiscent of this one:


I wish I could find more information on that car.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

don33


65ShelbyClone

Says you with an ARCA head, Holset turbo, and 900hp fuel system.  ;)

I wanted to go 3.00" out the back (do it right the first time is my mantra) and probably will in the future, but I have the parts now and am looking more at being able to drive the car soon. It's probably going to be 2.5" from the turbo down to a glasspack with a turndown facing down and to the side (ugly and loud, but at least I'll hear the turbine!  ;D). Something could change, though. This morning I thought I'd have to fabricate a whole upper intake. An hour ago I bought the throttle body and elbow setup from a 4.6 Mustang to use instead. :o It's kind of like a smaller, lower profile version of the Edelbrock elbow you were working with.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

don33

open that exhaust up, 3" mandrill bent down pipe and exhaust...!  you really will be glad you did.

65ShelbyClone

More.





It's really tempting to cheap out and use the crush-bent stock 2.25" downpipe, but I'm probably going to use that mandrel u-bend in the back to make a 2.5" one.

It's not much to look at, but this is a 6061 dipstick plug. Two o-rings to seal and an interference fit at the top.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

65ShelbyClone

I went back and looked and I guess it came from Jonson Machine. Whether they built it or just sold it, I don't know. Could be a C-Line.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

don33

Race engineering sells a pan I'm looking at, very similar to that.

74 PintoWagon

It's looking good, good luck on the project..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Srt

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on July 20, 2014, 12:39:02 PM
That is also where the 2.0's alternator is, so maybe a little less wiring to do too.

Oops, fixed.

I did manage to relocate the alternator today and all it took was modifying a 460 alternator bracket and making some spacers. Now I can strip off all those huge brackets on the other side.

Now I have to fit the dipstick, plug the old hole, put some of the EFI harness back, and it will be ready to come off the stand, which means bolting on the T5 and pulling the 2.0/four-speed out.

Quote from: don33 on July 20, 2014, 04:15:13 PM
NICE.... I really like that oil pan, did you mod a stock one or buy it ?

Thanks.  :) I bought it because there weren't any other Pinto pans and pickups for sale at the time. Supposedly it came from a 2.3 engine builder/race shop. It's actually built from what was originally a rear-sump pan.


It was also cracked next to the welds in the rear end seal corners and I didn't notice until I had wet sealer and new gaskets laying on the block.  >:( It's fixed now; I just hope it stays fixed. If nothing else, it's a good shelf for storing loose bolts.

No photos, but I had to swap two of the main bolts to get a studded one in the right place for that pickup. The bearings looked really good on #4, so hopefully the rest are. I was going to pull all the rod caps and have a look, but decided I didn't want to know. I made the 'Bird run before I pulled the engine and it sounded/acted normal for burning seven year-old gas, so that's enough for now.

Quote from: Wittsend on July 20, 2014, 05:49:12 PM
Been there, done that. The 87-88 electrical is a real joy (see pics). Your work is exceptionally nice.  I also noticed your motor mounts and large (wide) sump oil pan.  All the best in your venture.

Look at all that spare wire though! And you got the dash out of there too. I started breaking things just to get the engine harness out...

For engine mounts I'm planning to use the stock 2.3T engine brackets, Speedway Motors universal isolators, and make my own frame brackets.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

dga57

Looks like it's coming along nicely!  Keep up the good work!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Wittsend

Been there, done that. The 87-88 electrical is a real joy (see pics). Your work is exceptionally nice.  I also noticed your motor mounts and large (wide) sump oil pan.  All the best in your venture.








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