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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

2014 Pinto Stampede!

Started by Norman Bagi, December 18, 2013, 09:54:59 PM

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pintoman

Scott are you driving through Ohio on your way north.If so we can meetup somewhere along the way.
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pintoman

Dick I am very glad that you may be up for this trip.we need to get together and make our plans Hope to see you at the banquet on Sat. Scott please bring another Brief case we could have some fun with it.
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Scott Hamilton

Dick,

I would be homered to ride with you again! Do I need to call Dave to make sure to bring the cuffs?
:)


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postalpony

Hi all  I sent Norm my letter of intention a few days ago.
If this old man can hold on, I would love to do 1 more
stampede, as I missed the last two. If Im ok I will be there !!
                                           Dick
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dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on January 16, 2014, 12:15:02 PM
Yep sure am. I'm looking forward to it since it's only about 3 hrs away from my house.

That's about how far I am from Carlisle!  I'm approximately 560 miles from Dearborn so probably 9 - 10 hours.  I am going to trailer the Pinto due to the fact that my wife is coming with me and is concerned about its lack of air conditioning and how comfortable she'll be.  She's in poor health and the trip will be difficult enough for her riding in a modern, air conditioned vehicle!  She wants to come though, and I always encourage her to get out whenever she can.  I am currently trailer shopping.  Haven't towed anything in years (used to pull a travel trailer about 30 years ago) so thought Carlisle might make a good practice run for me before starting out to Dearborn.  We'll see.
Dwayne :)
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r4pinto

Quote from: dga57 on January 16, 2014, 12:10:29 AM
So you're definitely in for the Stampede?  That's great!  It will be good to see you again!  I'm still iffy on Carlisle - will have to wait and see. 

Dwayne :)

Yep sure am. I'm looking forward to it since it's only about 3 hrs away from my house.
Matt Manter
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Scott Hamilton

Quote from: pintoman on January 15, 2014, 11:29:09 AM
I am working hard to have the Stiletto ready fir this trip.It will be there finished or unfinished.Can't wait to be there and meet up with all my Pinto friends.

How are those Brief's doing for you? Do we need to have another made up and ready so you can bestow the 'privilege' to a new unsuspecting attendee? he he... ;)
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dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on January 15, 2014, 12:31:03 PM
Yeah, I'm stoked about Dearborn since that is a trip I know I can make. Who knows, Carlisle may happen for me but not entirely sure yet. Dad & I still have to push the 80 to my house so we can drop in the engine from the 77.

So you're definitely in for the Stampede?  That's great!  It will be good to see you again!  I'm still iffy on Carlisle - will have to wait and see. 

Dwayne :)
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r4pinto

Quote from: dga57 on January 04, 2014, 04:35:54 PM
You're right, Matt... I sold my brown sedan and acquired my current Pinto in early 2013.  It's not perfect, but it's very nice.  It was one-family-owned until I bought it and has a documented 67,000 miles!  I may try to get to Carlisle with it in June... not sure yet.  Am definitely planning to take it to Dearborn in July.  Can't wait!!!

Dwayne :)

Yeah, I'm stoked about Dearborn since that is a trip I know I can make. Who knows, Carlisle may happen for me but not entirely sure yet. Dad & I still have to push the 80 to my house so we can drop in the engine from the 77.
Matt Manter
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pintoman

I am working hard to have the Stiletto ready fir this trip.It will be there finished or unfinished.Can't wait to be there and meet up with all my Pinto friends.
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Scott Hamilton

Quote from: jtowndown on January 03, 2014, 09:59:57 PM
does anyone live in or near tn that is going

Yup- will be traveling right through Nashville...

Me going, Me not going to miss this!!
Scott
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dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on January 03, 2014, 10:54:03 AM
Don't think I have ever seen your car Dwayne. Sounds like a beauty to look at.


You're right, Matt... I sold my brown sedan and acquired my current Pinto in early 2013.  It's not perfect, but it's very nice.  It was one-family-owned until I bought it and has a documented 67,000 miles!  I may try to get to Carlisle with it in June... not sure yet.  Am definitely planning to take it to Dearborn in July.  Can't wait!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

flash041

Norm , I just met someone that lives very close to me that has 4 MustangIIs! 3 fully restored one I in process. I contacted Dave Glickman and he wants them. The owner plans to go.I saw the cars yesterday. They are really nice!
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jtowndown

does anyone live in or near tn that is going

r4pinto

Quote from: dga57 on January 02, 2014, 11:54:08 PM
Truer words were never spoken!  Phil's Pinto is about as close to perfect as they come. 

As to the variety thing: my Pinto is a gold '72 Squire wagon with brown interior - all original. 

Dwayne :)

Don't think I have ever seen your car Dwayne. Sounds like a beauty to look at.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on January 02, 2014, 03:15:52 PM
Phil's Pinto is a gem. I always enjoyed looking at that car when he took it to Carlisle.


Truer words were never spoken!  Phil's Pinto is about as close to perfect as they come. 

As to the variety thing: my Pinto is a gold '72 Squire wagon with brown interior - all original. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Phil's Pinto is a gem. I always enjoyed looking at that car when he took it to Carlisle.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Norman Bagi

Latest information on the stampede events.
The Ford Product Development Truck and Car Show is July 18, 2014 at the Ford Product Development Center in Dearborn, directly across from Greenfield Village/Henry Ford Museum and the Ford test track. 
There should be between 400 and 500 cars in attendance.  You will be provided with a pre-printed owner card (with detailed information if owner provides it), laminated color calendar of each participant's vehicle (sent out several months after the event), goody bag which includes a window cling and dash plaque, as well as a raffle (~50 prizes; one entry per car) and a low-cost ($5) all-inclusive barbeque lunch.  All but the lunch are provided free of charge.  the event is located right across from the Village, so many out-of-town participants visit there after the show.

In general, they want a variety among the Pintos which are attending, but if someone is interested in attending, that should not be the limiting factor.  Assume a maximum of 30 cars for now.  We should have Phil's 1972 showing in their feature row of the Mustang story to introduce the Mustang II years describing how the Mustang II came out of the Pinto. For those who don't know how clean Phil's Pinto is, he should out show all the Mustangs. All other Pintos will be in their own area.

They are also looking for Mustang IIs.  Please let me know if you know of any which still maintain stock appearance and if they would be interested in attending.

Thank you,

Norman Bagi
"Trail Boss"
646-408-7526
bosspinto@pintostampede.com

r4pinto

Email sent Norm. I'm excited about it!!! ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Norman Bagi

I see some questions and will try to answer them.  Hotels are not selected yet, we will reserve a block of rooms based on how many it will appear will be attending.  This will give some room for changes but we have to have an idea before looking for good rate.
The end location on this one is also the starting location.  Dearborn!  We will start at the Ford Employee car show, I plan on having a drive (or stampede ) on Saturday and possibly another car show on Sunday.  In between events will occur, the henry Ford museum, Rouge assembly plant, etc.  Lots to do and see here I stopped in and checked it out on the way to the 2013 Stampede.
And NoForkin, bring that Pinto come hell or high water, jack Rousch is supposed to be there and you may be able to bring him over for a visit with that Dragster Pinto.  I also would like to see that thing parked next to Racer Walsh for a full effect of Pinto performance on hand. So hopefully you both can make it.
Once again, just to be invited to this show is an honor and a privilege, especially given the Pinto's past press. Doors have been opened, lets make a good showing and represent.  We have 19 so far signed on, with a total of 30 allowed right now. If interested please contact me at bosspinto@pintostampede.com

mrskydog

Checking calendar might be able to attend.  Is there a hotel picked out?

Henery Ford Museum is very cool ,been the  once.    Kirk
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r4pinto

Sigh.... I'd like to go but not sure. Sort of confused about the end location. Where is it?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

74 PintoWagon

That's a bummer, seems like it always boils down to the same thing, if you want it done right you gotta do it yourself.. :(
Art
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Reeves1

When first reading about these Stampede meets, I wanted to go.

Still do.....but when I got taken to the cleaners on my engine build , it put me years behind.

Maybe one day / year.

Srt

Quote from: STREETREBEL on December 27, 2013, 05:13:30 PM
I wish I still had a pinto.


I'm in the same boat and I think it's sinking!

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

STREETREBEL


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Pinto1600

Talked to Norm earlier this week, looks like I'll take a shot at this show this next summer. Hope to see some old friends there!
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dga57

I am SO looking forward to this!!!
Dwayne ;D
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NoForKin

Norm


           I just might tow up there sounds very cool ill be in touch


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