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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

All Fords Show in PA 2006

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It has been suggested that next years 'Meet' be the All Fords show in PA in June of 06,

Yes, that would be a Grand Idea, & I'll be there
I like the idea but I can't attend
I would rather it be somewhere else, Please suggest below,

High_Horse

I could see a line of Pintos approaching the boarder. Athough I could use a good strip searching. I like Canada.
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71pintok


High_Horse

Isn't there a city in this country named Pinto?????? And the answer is...............................................................
Pinto,Maryland and Pinto,Texas. Duhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
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sagesunrise

I'd like to offer a meeting point within each state of which we will be passing - as the time grows near. Yes it would be very cool to have the pinto members meet and drive together. Hope everyone has their stickers by then!
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

pintoman

Hey Sagesunrise I'm glad to see that you are coming to Carlisle next year.I hope a bunch more Pinto owners will join you on your trek.When you come through Ohio maybe i can meet up with you then we can head for Carlisle.I hope there will be 6 or 7 Pinto owners out of Columbus heading that way.We usually leave on Thursday morning.I belong to a local Ford club here in Columbus and we have about 8 members with Pinto's.So now we have a club within a club.See you next year.
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sagesunrise

I am starting my plans on attending the Carlisle show in June 2006. I am really hoping that others might want to join the trek across country. We will be doing some sight seeing along the way and will most likely leave 2 weeks before the show starts.

We are planning on crossing the Northern tip of Idaho and crossing into Montana, headed Southerly. Crossing Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio and into PA.

If anyone wants to meet or come along, please let me know. We have plenty of time to find a meeting spot.
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

pintoman

Yes P/F is a great place to have a car show.I really enjoyed this year's show in P/F.I just wish we had a better turn out.Twelve cars for the first year wasn't bad for the first show.We decided at that show to go to Carlisle for next year.Per-hap's we might end up back in P/F for a future show,but for now we will move it around the country and hope every one can attend one of the these shows.Myself I'm am planning on going to every show we have.I think different locations is a great idea.
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propinto1

pigion forge is the best, the goodguys and the f 100 shows do well there.  Its a great place for kids and the hotels dont try to rape ya for rooms.  So I guess ill wait and come to one when its down south, heres a thought why not do like many of the other minority clubs do go to Food Lion Auto fair in Charlotte NC.  Both the fiero and corvair clubs meet there each year.  Its fun they have many cruise events each night with over 2000 cars and 300,000 in attendance i would say its a great show.   ;D

pintoguy76

Quote from: CHEAPRACER on July 12, 2005, 09:26:49 PM
Quote from: 77pintocw on July 11, 2005, 07:49:01 AM
Hi Folks:

How about this idea?

2006 - Carlisle, PA - East U.S.
2007 - Branson, MO - Middle U.S. 
2008 - California??? - West U.S.

The idea being that we rotate the meeting place for a region (east,middle,west) every third year so members
would have a higher probability of attending one of the gatherings.

77pintocw

That sounds  great, I've got a sister that lives near springfield and I'm even thinking about making the trip from Cali.


Sounds good to me too, doubt i can make the 06 show but, i might ill just have to try. Can definantly make the 07 show and probably the 08 too.
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sagesunrise

"I suggest an invasion....we could pick a different city each year and cruise the streets and park in different areas and meet to party and talk. It might spark anticipation and noteriety. "

High Horse, that is why I am seriously going to try to be there next year. I want to make a statement all the way across the US! I hope others will join me so we can all travel together. I love cruising in my pinter, and boy, if I was a dude, I'd have lots of chicks! The pinter really is a chick magnet!! I get more chicks commenting on my pinto than fellers, although lots of fellers like to talk pinto with me as well.

I really would like to make the trip with other members, so if anyone is even thinking about it, please get ahold of me. My email is sagesun@hctc.com. I will most likely go through ID, MT, WY and South of the Dakotas and then straight East to PA. The earlier we plan, the funner the trip will be.  8)

Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

High_Horse

I liked the Pigeon Forge thing because we were not just the Pinto's at the show.....We were the show. I liked the Pigeon Forge location because it was quaint. Are we really established as a bonified organization untill we can count on 100 Pintos being there....or even 50. How can we escape the conventionallity of just being another group of car enthusiasts?
I suggest an invasion....we could pick a different city each year and cruise the streets and park in different areas and meet to party and talk. It might spark anticipation and noteriety.
Also, I suggest that the best way to nuture this band of specialist would be a centralized meeting place which could be calculated mathmatically and then go with the closest commonly know city from that point. 
Personally, I am going to make every effort to be at the second Pinto meet where-ever it is at. ThunderPinto is being built for crosscountry.
                     OK!!.........That is what I think.........High_Horse    Wichita,Kansas-which is about as middle as you can get.
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintony

The show is Fri, Sat , and Sunday.
But I think most are rented by the week.
From Pintony

sagesunrise

Does the car show run for one full week? Sun-Sat, Mon-Fri? I was thinking of taking 2 weeks off, but if the show is one full week, I might need 3 (I want to give myself one full week of drive time in case something goes wrong and because I want to do a little sight-seeing). I think a home to rent is a good idea. I'd kick down $100 for a week even if I have to sleep outside or in a barn. Would be way cool if someone in the area had a farm and we all could kick it for the week at their place. 8)
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Pintony

Hello sagesunrise,
The toll on Turnpike 70-76 from just after Weeling W.V. is $8.50. 76 ends at Carlisle.
I'm thinking we should find a house to rent for the week!!!??? Time-share type deal???
Just went searching for hotels the closest hotel that has rooms NOW is Harrisburg west.
The rooms are 42.00 pr night. I was searching on Hotwire.com
No rooms available the first W/E in june in Carlisle Pa.
From Pintony

sagesunrise

Boy, I don't know then....I can't leave my Martha Splatterhead alone at night. I have to sleep with her. So you don't have to leave your car on the showgrounds the entire time, right?

Yea, I'll bet it is humid and having a wool blanket forever on my head (I have EXTREMELY long hair) won't help any. But I could tough it out for a few nights even if I have to wear an ice cold one under each armpit and one on the back of my neck!

So can you elaborate on the toll roads? Are there a lot? How much is the toll? I'll bet there will be a lot of surprises that I am not used to. I live deep in the woods in hicksville!  :D
Tiffany Morrison
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lorn green

how about tampa florida every year .....Yeah !!!
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pintoman

This is for you SAGESUNRISE.The Carlisle show is the first weekend in June of each year.I don't believe that you can pitch a tent by your Pinto,but i do believe that there is camping up on the hill.The show grounds is one of the best that i have seen.There are showers there,the rest rooms are very clean.Plus the food there is excellent.You can eat breakfast,lunch and dinner at the grounds.For me i will be in a motel room for the event.And like Scott I'll be at the swap area most of the time.
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pintoman

Hey Boss2300 i remember you .You sold some head light buckets to my buddy Wayne at Carlisle.That is a real nice wagon that you have,i know that everyone that shows up for next year will like it.I hope we have a real big turnout for next year.
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Tercin

It is probably a little less than 3500 miles. However you would be pretty close. There is a lot of open space between you and Carlisle as well as some toll roads. Don't forget the humidity. You will get pretty hot in a tent in the summer, since you are from Washington state where it is usually cool, you may want to rethink the tent part. Driving your Pinto would be neat but you would need to allow extra time when you stop to eat or gas up because everyone will want to talk to you. The further east you go people will be asking about the Washington plates and the long drive in an old car. It would be fun and interesting at the same time.
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sagesunrise

Well the trip to Carlisle is sounding better each time I read this post. What is it, 3500 miles or so from Olympia, WA? That's not too bad. I know the pinto would hold up, just wish it had air conditioning. She really likes freeway cruising best. I have never been past Oklahoma and would like to see other states in the US before I kick the bucket. Just curious if any other Westerners are thinking they might make the trip and we could do it together. I would really like to attend each yearly pinto gathering.

So for Carlisle...do we have an estimated date/month yet? I too would rather "pitch a tent" (sorry fella's, girls love pintos too!) next to my pinto at the show instead of renting a motel.

And a comment on the Branson idea, maybe have it in early/late Spring as to avoid the other big car show that takes place in Branson in June?
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Boss2300

Pintoman do you know who I am ? I'am the guy you meet at Carlisle with the silver Cruiser.
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Scott Hamilton

It seems only fair that FordPinto.com pick up the tab for this tent,

Donation link will be put up closer to the tiime frame needed.

Harley, pintoman, will be our poobah with this project,

25 Cars, .... THAT would be cool...
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pintoman

Yes they do supply a tent,but the first year it will cost a member of this club $150 to rent the tent.If the club has more than 25 cars at the event that member get,s there money back.Then it,s free after that at there following shows.Hey Scott I'll need all the help i can get.Kooter and his friends in Carlisle said that they would help.I won't know anything about Carlisle until there season is over with.As soon as i know something I'll let every one know.
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Boss2300

Hey Scott, I may be wrong but I think someone told me that Carlisle supplies a canopy for clubs that go there & maybe a banner also. You may want to check that out with them.
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Tercin

Something that I thought about today was having some sort of a printable flyer describing the site. We could print out a few whenever we are going to a car show, or some other automotive function. This flyer could have the logo and web address. Just a thought.
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Scott Hamilton

OK then, the Pinto community has spoken...

Cool!

I for one will be scouring the swap meet area of the Ford Show for NOS Pinto parts, CAN'T WAIT!

Harley, let me know closer to the time how much for our own area & I wil get to work on the FordPinto.com/ PCCA banner... & let me know what else our site can do to help,
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Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
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crazyhorse

Rotating the show sounds like a KILLER idea. I may not make the central & western meets as my Lil' Horse doesn't really like the freeway. I will, however do my level BEST to attend the eastern events.

I once drove my '80 runabout to Mich from Tenn, My wife was 6-7 mo pregnant & that was an ADVENTURE! The valve cover leaked pretty bad & I'd almost literally fill up the oil & top up the gas. My '74 isn't quite as bad, but it DOES leak a little around the valve cover. (add to that a hairline crack at the trans line in the case) I wouldn't be afraid to take it cross country, but I'd need a few days to get anywhere. I know it'd make it in one piece though.
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CHEAPRACER

Quote from: 77pintocw on July 11, 2005, 07:49:01 AM
Hi Folks:

How about this idea?

2006 - Carlisle, PA - East U.S.
2007 - Branson, MO - Middle U.S. 
2008 - California??? - West U.S.

The idea being that we rotate the meeting place for a region (east,middle,west) every third year so members
would have a higher probability of attending one of the gatherings.

77pintocw

That sounds  great, I've got a sister that lives near springfield and I'm even thinking about making the trip from Cali.
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turbopinto72

Not a Bad Idea Bob, Lake Tahoe would be nice...............
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1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Bipper

For a western show site I would vote for Lake Tahoe in the summer.  Being a  little bit more north would
hopefully pull in some  folks from the Northwest.
71 Sedan, stock
72 Pangra
73 Runabout, 2L turbo propane


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