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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

All Fords Show in PA 2006

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It has been suggested that next years 'Meet' be the All Fords show in PA in June of 06,

Yes, that would be a Grand Idea, & I'll be there
I like the idea but I can't attend
I would rather it be somewhere else, Please suggest below,

Pintony

1700 Pintos at the 2006 carlisle????????
I think you guys have your decimal point in the wrong place! ;D
Glad to hear you guy's did not have 3 days of rain this year.
From Pintony

Scott Hamilton

Harley,

Great, let me know closer to the fall what we need to put together to get everything going.
1700 Pinto would be a great showing but as many years as Tony, Brad, Greg, Jeff & I have been a part of the "Pinto Movement on the net I have never seen that much intrest 'SUSTAINED' at any given time.

Realistically, based on my convictions, we should shoot for 30-35...

I will put in every effort to support your's & everyone's goals as defined with this site for the Car Show...

1700? wow would that not be incredible?

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Pintony

Hey Pintoman,
That sounds great!!!
I'll bring 2 Pintos next year!
Keep up the great work!!!!!!!
From Pintony

pintoman

I heard back from Carlisle event manager.They can't give any details for the 2006 show until this fall.From what the survey shows Carlisle is a go.Hey Scott need a little input on this.I do believe that i have there attention about Pinto's and Bobcats.With that in mind i think we can actually have at least 25 to 30 Pintos and Bobcats at next years show.What we really need is to have 1700 plus cars there to make a statement that Pintos and Bobcats do count.This would probably be only time that many Pintos and Bobcats would  ever be together since leaving the factory.A lot of wishfull thinking on my part.But it would be nice.
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pintoman

Hey sagesunrisethat sounds like a good idea.I say we have at Carlisle in 2006 then we can have it in Tulsa in 2007.As soon as i hear from Carlisle i'll get that information to everybody.I'm hoping to get at least 25 cars at     carlisle next year.Any one that plans on attending next year needs to pre regester so Carlisle know's how many will be attending and we can get an area set up just for us.You don't have to pre regester but it will be $10 cheeper than at the gate.Also like 68 cyclone said, you need to reserve a aroom or rooms as soon as  possible, because it gets real packed at the nationals.There is a new Best Western in town that might have more rooms available that weekend.
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sagesunrise

Would be way cool to try out Tulsa maybe in 2007?  If some of the local pinto toughs can look into it...I am happy to make some phone calls or do some other leg work. I have been to the Tulsa state fairgrounds and it seems like there are lots of camping areas surrounding it.  Maybe we could have it there?  Sure would be neat to have all of the west coast pinto's take the trip together and pick up everyone along the way.  That would be the coolest!  Boy would we all get some looks!!   If this is doable, I would be happy to start collecting names and phone #'s of all along the way that might want to "jump on the train" on the way to Tulsa.  If anyone has any ideas on this, please let me know.
Tiffany Morrison
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pintoman

I still havn't heard back from carlisle.As soon as i hear from them i will let every one know.But if Pintony or some one else out in the midwest wants to set up something for next year,let us know and we might do the get together out there.Right now nothing is set in concrete,but most of the votes are for carlisle.For me i can go in any direction.My 80 Rallye is an exelent road car.Haven't had any problems asof yet.Made two 400 mile trips in the last month and still drive it dailey.
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sagesunrise

I sure would like to go, especially now that I have my pinto restored (well I will have it on 6/15).  Pennsylvania is a long haul.  I vote for Tulsa, OK.  That's not too far.  I live in Shelton WA and a central location would be groovy.  I really like the idea of all the pintos travelling together that would be SO COOL!!  And it would also be very nice in case someone ran into problems.  I'll keep my eye on the strings.  At this point, not sure if I could go or not-lots of arrangements I would have to make in advance, but WOW it would be really neat!!
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Pintony

NOW your talkin pintoguy76 ,
Right in my back yard!!!!!
St Louis Mo.  ;D
From Pintony

pintoguy76

I agree about the midwest thing, perhaps tulsa or st. louis?
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ADaughen

I was there... didn't see any of the "people" just the pintos.  :(

I've got a few pics if anyone wants email me I'll shoot you what I have.  Big screenshot sized...

My favorites:
http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=51923&size=big&limit=recent

http://www.superhonda.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=51921&size=big&limit=recent

They're all done with a 2.0mp digi cam.
'78 Cruisin' Wagon

pintoman

I'm going to get ahold of the Carlisle event people sometime today and see what kind of information that we need and what they need to know about them setting up an area for us next year.I talked to several Pinto guys there at carlisle.Kooter said that if we need anything let him know.I met Kooter and a freind of his on saturday.I can't remember his name but a real nice guy[It hell getting old].So i let evry one know about what i find out.
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SageNip

I will definitely be there!  Count my pony IN!!  I may even do a bit of Pinto towing!
Blacksmith, weldor, sculptor, 8 track collector, Pinto enthusiast, retired sideshow performer, manipulator of flesh and steel.... keep your ponies warm.

madddoggj

Can't believe that no body cause what happened when some body wrote is Las V egas.
Nothe that i inserted the space for a reason. watch.
Las Vegas.
I knew that happened when you wrote Vega, was not aware that the word vegas did it to
Josh

79 Turbo Sedan (so close to ready i can taste it)
77 Panel Wagon (getting a turbo soon if i can get the cash flowing right)

Scott Hamilton

OK, Great...

Thanks Harley,
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White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
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pintoman

I'll be leaving for Carlisle on thursday.Will i;m there i,ll try and find out about getting an area set up for 1600 Pintos [i wish] for next year,and maybe a tent to cover us all.
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1955ranchwagon

dallas would be a good location

grgic

Count me in.  I would have gone to this years meet but my trans went out in my mustang and the pinto has become my daily driver. I didn't want to risk it on a long tip.

dirt track demon

Carlisle would be awesome for me I live only 70 miles from there, and by next june hopefully will have a street ready v-8 wagon to tow the race car with!  The thing about early motel reservations is true,  Carlisle draws a HUGE crowd, when I lived there I used to flee to the mountains for the car show weekends, because the place gets to packed to do your normal routine weekend things when there is a show.  But it is a really cool setup, If you are looking for anything ford you can usually find it there.
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The PINTO!!

Fomoco's biggest mistake:
Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

ADaughen

^^ LOL yeah, AM radio only, for a year sucked.  Fortunately I only used the car to drive home on the weekends.
'78 Cruisin' Wagon

CHEAPRACER

Quote from: Sir Hugh on May 18, 2005, 03:19:27 AM
Damn, why is PA so far from California.  How long is the drive there?  Why don't y'all drive all the way out here to Knott's in April.  And we'll come out in June.  What do you think? Hmm?  ;)

Don't get me wrong, my car runs great but there's something about driving it across country that gives me the creaps. Maybe it's the cheap radio.
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ADaughen

I'll be going.  The Pinto might even be done by then.





Yeah right! MAYBE it will be running again.  :(

I've gone the past few years as a specator.  Good turn outs each time.  Lots of cars/trucks/others.  If you're from out of town and don't have a friend/family to stay with I suggest booking a hotel room now.  It gets crowded FAST. 

If we can find a midwest area for our more western bretheren I'd be game to roll out that way too.  8-10 hours is about as far as I'll drive though.
'78 Cruisin' Wagon

68cyclone

Hey Guys, 

Tenn. was great a great location.
Super time meeting other pinto enthusiast from across the USA and Canada.
Look forward to nx yr(my Pinto will be done).

PA is an excellent All Ford Show;  tons of parts & cars!

If Carlisle is nx yr's site you won't be disappointed;  but timing is essential-Motel reservations
need to be made several months in advance!!

Thanks to all who orginazided this yrs meet!!!!


pintoman

We could try and have our meet some where in the mid west, maybe OKLA.If some one out there would be willing to get some information on locations,it might work.Having it there or some other state near there,we could have more Pinto's show up.It's just a thought.
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Sir Hugh

Damn, why is PA so far from California.  How long is the drive there?  Why don't y'all drive all the way out here to Knott's in April.  And we'll come out in June.  What do you think? Hmm?  ;)
Loving my plum 1978 Pinto Hatchback.  He has a rebuilt engine and is running like new. Beautiful. He still needs a new paint job though.

Pintony

Hello Group,
I feel that Pigeon Forge was the ideal spot for our meet.
Lots to do. More family oriented. I know the O.F.C. would rather have it in Carlisle. BUT I would leave my family behind if the meet were to be moved to Carlisle. I was there last year and it rained constantly.
I did not see that much for kids and the wife.
Not that I was disapointed in the Carlisle show. It is a great melting pot of Fords. Never before have I seen so many Mint condition Henry Ford products.
I will be there no mater where it it is in the U.S.A.
As for the west coast guys.you need to come up with a PLAN! or Get A Clue.
The Knoxberry Farms show is your Ford Pinto Nationals!
I would gladly attend a Las Vegas meet.
From Pintony


r4pinto

I know depending on what kind of cash I got I'd be able to attend. I planned on going to Pigeon forge, but the car died, so no cash.. Was going to go to Carlisle, but no cash... too many bills..
Matt Manter
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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

crazyhorse

I'll do anything in my power to help arrange this. However, I'll have to wait untill "closer in" to see if I'll be able to attend. If I can help, PLEASE just ask.
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jcbugs

Sounds like a great idea, plenty of time to make plans and close enough to drive the wagon. Other attractions in the area, for the non-car minded family members, include Hershey Park and the PA Amish
area. Count me in.

pintoman

Also the wives and kids have areas set up for them.The wives can get there nails and makeup done for free plus they have craft classes.The kids have an area setup so they can play.
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