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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Pangra74

You must be talking about mine. I'm a Goodguys member but not sure if I can make another trek down south. I think I may do Pleasanton up here though with Mike and Paul.

Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

blupinto

There was a GG show in San Diego a few weeks ago.
One can never have too many Pintos!

vonkysmeed

Quote from: entropy on April 29, 2010, 10:41:33 PM
Had a great time on Sunday....nothing quite like being parked in the middle of 28 other Pintos!  I enjoyed hanging out and talking to vonkysmeed (and friends and family) and comparing V8 Pinto notes.  That thing is going to be an absolute monster when it's finished.  My sincere thanks again to cutelitlputtputt for making it possible for my little red menace and I to be there this year.  I took a few photos, which I'll try to post later...

Invite stands to come and hang out with the pinto at GoodGuys OC in a few weeks.  I was one of 3 pintos(does the 4x4 count?) last year.  Any chance there will be more this year?  I did see at least one other Good Guys sticker and would love to have a larger number. 
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

apintonut

Quote from: blupinto on April 29, 2010, 09:45:35 PM
APN, I'm sorry about the hardship. Sending good JuJu to you and yours for a better future! :D

im roofing now weather permitting  and wife got better job with same company starts june 1
but thanx see yall next year 
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

entropy

Had a great time on Sunday....nothing quite like being parked in the middle of 28 other Pintos!  I enjoyed hanging out and talking to vonkysmeed (and friends and family) and comparing V8 Pinto notes.  That thing is going to be an absolute monster when it's finished.  My sincere thanks again to cutelitlputtputt for making it possible for my little red menace and I to be there this year.  I took a few photos, which I'll try to post later...
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-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
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450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

blupinto

APN, I'm sorry about the hardship. Sending good JuJu to you and yours for a better future! :D
One can never have too many Pintos!

apintonut

i just wanted to say sorry for not being there had plans to be there but wife lost her job and i have been working crappy jobs on and off for over a year now so there was no way we could take off work wail we were working i thought we were going to make it with been-toad which is why i started to make some effort to finish it but when i fond out i would be working and that week and she was being laid off in a month it was not particle even though we had the trip money set aside 
was really bummed about it!
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

blupinto

Roland, it was a pleasure meeting you too! I wished I had the right spark plug socket but I'm glad my channel locks  came in handy! I hope you do decide to keep that little gem. Unless I'm mistaken, we two had the only Pintos with 1600 Kent engines! I will cross my fingers and send good JuJu that you will find a feasable way to keep Cream Puff (because she's so creamy-good! lol) out of the Oregon elements and allow you to enjoy her! Plus, we'd love to see you next year!  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

Roland

Hey - I wanted to thank everyone for making me feel so welcome at the show....especially Joe, Barth, Becky (for lending me those channel lock pliers, lol) and Pintony. It was great to meet all of you and I learned so much by listening (and keeping my mouth shut!) I know that I was trying to sell the car there but now I am definitely leaning toward keeping it. We'll see.........I actually enjoyed the drive home to Redondo Beach after the show, even with the freeway traffic and all. Anyway, thanks again and I hope to see you all again, maybe next year.

phils toys

glad to here every one had a good time
joe, please bring it to carlisle, and i do prefer t shirts lets here more about  the air flow system
phil
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Pangra74

Hey everyone,

My Orange 74 made the 800 mile trip without any trouble at all. Didn't even use any oil!! On the way home I calculated 30mpg , but my speedometer reads 5mph fast, so I'm trying to figure out how to calculate the difference, maybe a realistic 26-27mpg? Considering I made a few runs up to 80-85mph on I-5 to run with the fast lane traffic around trucks and stuff, that was pretty good I think. The drive to Carlisle next year seems a little more realistic after this run.
It was great meeting a lot of you guys/gals for the first time, and thanks for the shirt purchases. I'll put up some tees, now that I know lots of you prefer them. I shot some video of every car which I'll edit down and post asap. I've decided to try and come up with an airflow system for these Pintos, so when the windows are rolled up, the vents can bring in air and you don't get that whistling from air pushing thru the door and hatch weatherstrip.

Back to the real world tomorrow and they are saying 3 days of rain....this is sunny California, right?

Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Norman Bagi

Wow, sounds like you all had a great time. I plan on flying out for next years Bash.  I will have to leave my Pintos home though.  :lol:

vonkysmeed

Quote from: Wittsend on April 25, 2010, 11:58:21 PM
Vonkysmeed, thanks for posting the pictures so fast.  Went the last two years, but year three and still not able to get my Pinto there so I decided to stay home.

Was that "Anthony from Illinois" I saw in a few pictures (not sure if there is a filter on his "nick-name" being used in the forum)?  If so, what car did he bring?

  Sounds like everyone had a good time.  Well..., maybe next year.

Tom

I  believe it was, but do not know what car he brought.  Unfortunately I spent most of the time at my car due to my 18 month old being cranky and not wanting to miss a thing by taking a nap. 
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

Pintosopher

Quote from: pintosopher on April 25, 2010, 09:23:29 AM
Hmmm I Smell Bacon! Ohh man what I wouldn't give for a Shelby's Chili 4 egg Omlette about now! But after b-fast, you can all say "I Know JACK , I met him this morning at Carrows!

Pintosopher , kickin the walls of His Stall  :lol:
Hmm ..  Sounds like a Great time was had by all.  I think my wifey slipped a Horse tranq into my French toast on Sunday. Even Nasty Car wasn't a thrill on the Tube. My mind was in Buena Park, My hooves on the Ottoman, Numb Horseman say nothing of note.
Thanks to all who went and made it a Success!

Pintosopher.. Taking bets on Kimmy's new acquisitions.. Will the Stable overflow?
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dga57

Quote from: blupinto on April 26, 2010, 12:12:12 AM
Bragger! lol. :lol:


I made it home, door and all! Many many thanks to Fred and Joy for their hospitality and Mountain Dews (and the door! lol.), Kimmy and Bob for their help installing the um "new" door, uninstalling the original door (rusted-out driver's door,  remember? lol.), and doing the majority of getting the original door in the car (and they said it couldn't be done!) I am so glad I came- it made me put aside my grief and remember that there's still good... and yes fun...still in this world. I had a great time seeing my Pinto Peeps Alberto and his great family, Barth and Virginia (no you STILL can't have Karma! lol), who have a couple of the warmest hearts... Brad thank you for letting me win that great tee-shirt for having the Rustiest Door (Fred NOW you know why I wanted to keep the door on for the show! lol!)...Joe (Pangra74) for his companionship during Bag Stuffing (alright where were the rest of you Saturday!?! lol.) and the show...Sheesh... please forgive me if I have forgotten anyone... and I know I have... You all have restored joy back into my life when only days ago it came crashing down. I thank you all from the bottom of my heart.  ;D  Pictures to come soon...


Becky,

I just KNEW FFF would be the best medicine ever for you!  Glad you had a good time.  Talk to you later!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Bragger! lol. :lol:


I made it home, door and all! Many many thanks to Fred and Joy for their hospitality and Mountain Dews (and the door! lol.), Kimmy and Bob for their help installing the um "new" door, uninstalling the original door (rusted-out driver's door,  remember? lol.), and doing the majority of getting the original door in the car (and they said it couldn't be done!) I am so glad I came- it made me put aside my grief and remember that there's still good... and yes fun...still in this world. I had a great time seeing my Pinto Peeps Alberto and his great family, Barth and Virginia (no you STILL can't have Karma! lol), who have a couple of the warmest hearts... Brad thank you for letting me win that great tee-shirt for having the Rustiest Door (Fred NOW you know why I wanted to keep the door on for the show! lol!)...Joe (Pangra74) for his companionship during Bag Stuffing (alright where were the rest of you Saturday!?! lol.) and the show...Sheesh... please forgive me if I have forgotten anyone... and I know I have... You all have restored joy back into my life when only days ago it came crashing down. I thank you all from the bottom of my heart.  ;D  Pictures to come soon...
One can never have too many Pintos!

Wittsend

Vonkysmeed, thanks for posting the pictures so fast.  Went the last two years, but year three and still not able to get my Pinto there so I decided to stay home.

Was that "Anthony from Illinois" I saw in a few pictures (not sure if there is a filter on his "nick-name" being used in the forum)?  If so, what car did he bring?

  Sounds like everyone had a good time.  Well..., maybe next year.

Tom

vonkysmeed

Quote from: pintogirl on April 25, 2010, 11:32:14 PM
Yep, Knott's is gone again!  We had a good time and the weather was perfect!!! Having an umbrella for shade this year made it even more enjoyable, that and the scooters to zip around the show in!! We actually saw the whole thing this year!! LOL

I didn't take many photos this year. I will share what I did take tomorrow or Tuesday. I didn't bring my card reader with me to Knotts, so they are stuck in the camera at the moment! LOL

Time for bed now. Have to get up at O dark thirty to head back home and stop and pick up another wagon in Fresno. Then hopefully a sedan in Modesto!! :D

Thank you for the use of your umbrella with my daughter.  Had a great time and good luck on the pinto collection. 
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

pintogirl

Yep, Knott's is gone again!  We had a good time and the weather was perfect!!! Having an umbrella for shade this year made it even more enjoyable, that and the scooters to zip around the show in!! We actually saw the whole thing this year!! LOL

I didn't take many photos this year. I will share what I did take tomorrow or Tuesday. I didn't bring my card reader with me to Knotts, so they are stuck in the camera at the moment! LOL

Time for bed now. Have to get up at O dark thirty to head back home and stop and pick up another wagon in Fresno. Then hopefully a sedan in Modesto!! :D

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

vonkysmeed

Quote from: Srt on April 25, 2010, 01:35:11 PM
Good times here @ FFF @ Knotts. Someone said they counted 27 Pintos all in a row.

Weather is real nice not too hot like last year & a cool breeze to go along with the cool cars & cool people.

J. Stratton showed & we had a nice time bringing back old memories. He spent a good amount of time with the Pangra owners.

Updates later!

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=173885&id=348192476964&saved

Had a great time at the show today.  Look forward to seeing everyone again. 

Here are pictures of cars from today.  (The pictures seem a little unstable at the moment due to facebook)  I will be sure to update any that go missing over the next few days. 
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

Srt

Good times here @ FFF @ Knotts. Someone said they counted 27 Pintos all in a row.

Weather is real nice not too hot like last year & a cool breeze to go along with the cool cars & cool people.

J. Stratton showed & we had a nice time bringing back old memories. He spent a good amount of time with the Pangra owners.

Updates later!
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: pintosopher on April 25, 2010, 09:23:29 AM
Pintosopher , kickin the walls of His Stall  :lol:

I wish I could be there too... I had fun last year  :(

Have Fun All!
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pintosopher

Quote from: pintogirl on April 25, 2010, 08:44:09 AM
Ok, I got to put my truck in front of trailer at about 10pm! All is good and now we need to go hook it up this morning to unload Pinto! Almost Breakfast time!!! :D

Hmmm I Smell Bacon! Ohh man what I wouldn't give for a Shelby's Chili 4 egg Omlette about now! But after b-fast, you can all say "I Know JACK , I met him this morning at Carrows!

Pintosopher , kickin the walls of His Stall  :lol:
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

pintogirl

Ok, I got to put my truck in front of trailer at about 10pm! All is good and now we need to go hook it up this morning to unload Pinto! Almost Breakfast time!!! :D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Fred Morgan

Give me a call in AM you know I have a lot of chains, if can't find owner for you well it will be drag time.  Fred   ;D
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
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Srt

8 1/2 hours 'till breakfast @ Carrows !!!
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Pangra74

I have a floor jack with me. We can just pick it up and move it elsewhere...slowly of course
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Fred Morgan

HEHEHEHE!!! (cackle!)

I have commandeered Fred and Joy's Rolling Hilton!  They re tied up to the tree outside. I wonder if Bailey Dog will bring them their blankets...it's chilly-willy out there! Meanwhile, there's popcorn in the microwave...

Karma ;D
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January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
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pintogirl

Quote from: turbopinto72 on April 24, 2010, 10:08:58 PM

wonder if that car that's blocking has an alarm. I say rock the car and set off the alarm and see who comes out   ;D

LOL, May try that if it is still here in a few hours! Supposedly it is here for a special even the Hotel is hosting and should be gone later tonight! Just sucks to have to go out and check on it. I told hubby we should leave a note saying to call when it gets ready to leave so we can come hook our trailer back up! I mean come on, obvously a truck had to be hooked to it, why would one park in front knowing that truck may need to come back and re hook up! Morons! LOL If all else fails we will have it towed for blocking! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

turbopinto72

Quote from: pintogirl on April 24, 2010, 10:00:54 PM
We can't get the truck backed up to hook it up to unload or even move the trailer!!!!!!


wonder if that car that's blocking has an alarm. I say rock the car and set off the alarm and see who comes out   ;D
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto


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