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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Pinto Stampede

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80_2.3_ESS

I so wish I could have been a part of the Stampede. I live 1900 Miles away from the starting point though  :'(

Anyways, congrats on the Stampede and it was nice to see everybody at the show in Carlisle.

I don't know if this has been answered yet, but I am curious to know how much money was raised for the Wounded Worriors. I did buy tickets (as well as my dad). If I remember correctly, the goal was 10k, correct?
Nick in CT

1980 2.3L Pinto ESS

phils toys

we were able to catch part of the stampeed about 120 miles but was alot of fun great job everyone
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

pintoman1972

Been watching many of the videos.  Looks like you guys are having a great time.  Almost wish I had built a regular Pinto (NOT) so I could have a regular drive. 

Tomorrow I will load the beast onto the trailer and tow it to Carlisle so we can get in line early on Thursday to get it to Building T.

Wishing all a safe trip and C U THERE.

Dick

03_pinto_R

it was grate meeting everybody had a lot of fun hope ill see you guys next year wish I could come with ya this year  but hopefully  next year
How many people ask you if that's a real pinto?
have a 2003 black and red focus-pinto runabout 5 speed
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had a 1980 orange pinto hatch back 4 speed
had a 1978 sky blue pinto wagon 4 speed
had a 1974 orange bobcat hatch back a

Pangra74

I guess the webcast is a hit! We have logged over 188 hours of viewing time on the Pintostampedelive webcast....Keep watching!! I'll try and keep the stream running as much as possible...

Norm Bagi has done an incredible job of organizing this event. He's become a TV interview star as well!! You go Trail Boss!! A lot of guys are gonna have some awesome memories from this ride....

You can also see the videos at www.livestream.com/pintostampedelive in case you didn't know.

Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Pangra74

1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Pangra74

Youtube clip of the first 4 laps....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R2FVb3F6RU


Enjoy. It was the most fun I had in a long time!! Second four laps to come shortly.....uploading.


Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

STREETREBEL

Oh My.
I was there, we made " 8 " LAPS total at 95 mph!
YeeeeeHaaaaaaaa!

dga57

Quote from: Fred Morgan on May 30, 2011, 04:09:36 PM
They just finished the lap at Kansas Speedway near Kansas City.  Fred   :)

:surprised: :smile: :smile: :smile: :fastcar: :fastcar: :fastcar: :fastcar: :smile: :smile: :smile: :surprised:


GO STAMPEDERS GO!!!
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Fred Morgan

They just finished the lap at Kansas Speedway near Kansas City.  Fred   :)
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hobbit1games

We were looking forward to going with all of you and meeting every one but things just didn't go as pland.Looks like every one is having fun and we have been watching the live stream.Every one be safe and have a wonderful time.
Rob & Trish
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dga57

I know what you mean Dave... I've been wishing I was there too!  Just talked to Becky... she's tired, but otherwise doing great.  I'm going to meet up with the Stampede Thursday and drive into Carlisle with them!

Dwayne :smile:
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dave1987

I have been keeping up to date every morning before I go to work and every night when I get home and before I go to bed, just dreaming of what it would be like to in the convoy! And to think I was SOO close to going, too!

Morning - fordpinto.com, Stampede facebook and Joe's broadcast

Afternoon - facebook and fordpinto.com on my phone

Night - fordpinto.com, Stampede facebook and Joe's broadcast

A good routine, but nothing compares.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

To Day Two :drunk:     

Hope Day Three will be just as fun as you grow in numbers!  Wish I could be out there with you!  Have enjoyed watching some of it on Joe's webcast.  My church congregation prayed this morning for traveling mercies for you and the entire group as you make you way across the U.S.  See you soon!

Dwayne :smile:
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Norman Bagi

The longest day driving is behind us now. We had fun and I am fortunate to be traveling with a great little group.  We picked up Scott Whithed at the hotel tonight and will pick up five more tomorrow, some just going part way.  Dave made it home safely, we wish him the best of luck with the flooding and he returned the favor for a good trip. Here is to day two.  :drunk:

pintopaul2003

wish we were going this year but other things come up , enjoy everyone have a great time ill be thinking of you guys pintopaul2003
we have a new addition to the pinto family
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dga57

Quote from: Pangra74 on May 29, 2011, 03:10:53 PM
Update on the webcast. Broadband is limited so I may only record video to upload later. Greetings from Goodland Kansas

It's fun to watch, even if it is delayed a little! 

Dwayne :smile:
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Pangra74

Update on the webcast. Broadband is limited so I may only record video to upload later. Greetings from Goodland Kansas
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Scott Hamilton

Watched the feed myself this morning, we are leaving tomorrow bright and early-

Watched everyone get Gas and start the trip, Joe drove by everyone to get a shot of all the cars and tried to pass Norm- it looked like Norm was having none of that... He He.. Can't pass THAT pinto!  Very ausume job Joe and Brian for getting this up for all of us to see- looking forward to joining the group in Indy.
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dga57

I just "rode" with Joe Escobar for about an hour.  If there's anyone who hasn't checked out his live webcast, please do... it's almost like being there!  If there's anything better than looking out over that orange hood, it's looking out over it and into the tailights of another gorgeous Runabout!  I recognized Norm and Becky, who is in the car directly in front of you, Joe?  It's a beauty!  It makes me want to pull my Pinto out of the garage and hit the road, dents, rust, and all! 

Dwayne :smile:
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dga57

Quote from: phils toys on May 29, 2011, 08:31:01 AM
same here
dwayne how far is for you to get there?  about 3 hr drive for me but it will be the first time for my wife to realy pull a trailer  so we will be a bit more cautious
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here is our hotel

From here it's about 3 1/2 hours to Carlisle.  With the side trip to the Flight 93 Memorial I think it's going to be more like 6 hours total.  Oh well! Unfortunately, I won't be bringing my Pinto but I'll be easy to spot anyway... I'll be driving a  :hypno: BRIGHT :hypno: blue Chrysler Sebring convertible (don't blame me... my wife picked it out).  See you there!

Dwayne :smile:
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pintogirl

Quote from: Pangra74 on May 29, 2011, 12:43:16 AM
Hey Kim,

How come with all the bazillion Pintos you guys have, you're not here??

:-)

Well, several reasons really.

Mainly money. Just don't have it right now. That and trying to get Bob to take time off for 2 days is like pulling teeth, I would have none if I tried to get him off for 2 weeks! LOL  Also, out of my gazillion Pintos I have, I don't trust one of them to get me that far. Heck, I won't even drive the Ghost to LA for Knotts and it is pretty close by!!

Hope you all have fun!!!  ;D  Take lots of pics!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

phils toys

Quote from: dga57 on May 29, 2011, 12:03:43 AM
Norm,
P.S. - Do you have an ETA for the Flight 93 Memorial?  I'm planning to meet up with you there so want to plan my trip accordingly.
same here
dwayne how far is for you to get there?  about 3 hr drive for me but it will be the first time for my wife to realy pull a trailer  so we will be a bit more cautious
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here is our hotel
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pangra74

Hey Kim,

How come with all the bazillion Pintos you guys have, you're not here??

:-)
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Pangra74

Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. As Norm said earlier, my car made it with no issues. Love the T5. that overdrive gear enabled me to cruise at 75-80mph and still get up to 28-29mpg to boot. Just have to work out that strange intermittent shake.....
I hope the Verizon network will carry the stream ok tomorrow. Lots of dead zones in Nevada and Wyoming. Even if the stream fails, the software still records to my laptop so i can edit and post the videos later the same day hopefully. I have to clean up the first ones yet. Been too busy driving and praying for no breakdowns...At least now we will go at an easy pace.
Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

dave1987

Glad Becky made it there alright. She's in good company now. :)

Watched the denver news report, looks like everyone was having a great time. Here's to wishing I was there, and a safe trip for you all!  :drunk: :drunk:
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Norm,
Glad to know Becky connected with you okay.  I attempted to call her earlier but she had her cell phone off.  There is definitely safety in numbers so I'll breathe a bit easier from now on.  I "rode" with Joe via his webcast for a while Saturday.  Looking out over that orange hood sure brought back some pleasant memories!  See you Thursday!!!
Dwayne :smile:
P.S. - Do you have an ETA for the Flight 93 Memorial?  I'm planning to meet up with you there so want to plan my trip accordingly. 
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Norman Bagi

Becky is here, she had dinner and is getting some sleep for tomorrow's treck.  All will be well, we now how strength in numbers, this trip should show any issues with cars, so once fixed hopefully the return trips will be uneventfull. Dave showed up with one of his two Pintos, he will be going back to Wyoming tomorrow and not continuing with the Stampede.  The water is rising and his home is in jeopardy, so the Stampede is going on with four tomorrow. We wish him well and hope the water does not reach his home.  Joe made it in safely as well, the webcast will run tomorrow, so tune in at pintostampede.com Thanks for all the well wishes, we got a special blessing today from a local minister from the Unity church of boulder. Good feelings from here on out, we have had our first tests, mine was an alternator just outside of Columbus Ohio a few days back, tomorrow we are rolling in our Pinto's.
:happy_bday: :fastcar: :read: :lol: :drunk:

dga57

Kim,

I'm pretty sure there are a couple of trailers in the stampede, just in case.  Fred didn't say where she was leaking fuel from, but that could be a pretty simple fix.  Hope so anyway!  Once she makes it to Denver, she'll be in good company and they should be able to help her keep rolling.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintogirl

Wow, this is not good.  I sure hope she can make it to PA and back! With having so many problems and only into CO, it sounds pretty scary!

I heard there are back of vehicles that will be going along with the Stampede. Do they have tow dolly's or car trailer that they will be towing? Might not be a bad idea for one to tow something! When we used to go on long m/c trips with lots of bikers, we had a back up truck with a trailer, just in case!!

I hope all of Becky's troubles go away and she can make it there and back!!! GO BECKY!!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA


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