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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

2007 All Ford show at Carlisle

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phils toys

Pintony
Click on the link under the section 2007 Carlisle photos
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintony

Thank you Bill and Connie for hosting the 2007 east coast meet!!!!!!
How do I access the photo bucket phil???
From Pintony

NoForKin

we also made it home yesterday safely and would like to thank all of you for the great time rachelle and i had hope to see you all again soon



cudos to bill and connie
                                 NoForKin :2fast4u:

postalpony


   Hello friends    :smile: :smile: :smile:
   My good buddy Ken & I just arrived home after a very wet,windy,
   & treacherous jaunt to Clarksburg, W Va., but after a good
   night's rest we had a beautiful run the rest of the way home.
   I would like to apologize for not being at the PCCA tent more
   than I was, but I made the mistake of bringing 2 cars in very
   different classes/areas, & I am getting too old to cover that
   much ground anymore.
 
   Thanks to Bill & Connie for a great job well done & thanks to
   any & all who took part. It was a great joy to see all my PINTO
   friends & trade stories [lies ?] again.

        Until next time, take care.   Dick Mathias  'postalpony'
1980 Hatchback was a "Postal Unit" on the
west coast in it's early life. Now residing
in Ohio, But we don't haul the U.S. Mail anymore;
Now all we do is HAUL!
5th gear 4700 rpm & still pullin'= 113+  mph

UPDATE-83.762 mph in 4th gear As verified by a W Va State Trooper-WITH 1 GEAR TO GO 6-2-11

phils toys

I made it home about safe last evening  All picture are now  uploade on photobucket and can be see under carlisle 2007 Photos Let me know if i made any mistakes so i can fix them.Also if any one would like a copy  i can sen it to you in an email that has not been resized.
Phils toys
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

pintoman

I would like to thank Pinto 1600 for the use of his trailer on Thursday night.The throw out bearing went out on my way there from Ohio.I had a great time and Bill and Connie did a great job on this years get together.Phil can i use the trailer again,ditto on the way home,but made it back OK.This time no smoke from the dash.I will see everyone next year.
05 Pigon Forge Meet, 06 Carlile Meet Coordinator 06-07 Carlile Regional, Brief Case Award (ask)

Pinto1600

Hi guys got home around 6:30,had a safe trip no problems. Rained like mad from the PA. border right until we got home. Mark and Tom had a great time,we'll be back next year for sure. Thanks to all who voted for the '71 for best stock from the club and the UFO club for sponsering the awards.And also thanks to the folks in Carlisle who also picked it as best stock. It made the trip even better! Thanks again and see you next year!
Happiness is..Driving a classic Pinto

77turbopinto

Connie and I just got home.

We wish to thank everyone that helped us, and to everyone that was able to make it to the the show.

More later, I am going to bed...


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

kooter07

I would like to thank those who organized the 07' Carlise event this year Bill and His wife & whom ever I missed. I think you did a great job, we had a lot of really nice Pintos this year.  The giveaways were Great as well, Thank you  Paul (Kooter07)

phils toys

HighHorse
Pintony Brought his 72 Green (rollin  video ) pinto
Phils toys






2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

High_Horse

Phil,
  Good picture...lotta nice cars....What car did Pintony take?...He was undesided.

                                                            High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

phils toys

Here is one for now  we had about 13 show up today
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

High_Horse

Good deal Phil,

           I am looking forward to some Pics. Thanx.

                                                           High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

phils toys

My son and I made it and motel has internet i will try to get some pictures daily
Phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintony

Quote from: NoForKin on May 31, 2007, 05:57:45 PM

       And Away We Go ///Every 1 have a safe trip

               NoForKin

Hope those Canadian Boys have their pasport???
From Pintony

NoForKin



       And Away We Go ///Every 1 have a safe trip

               NoForKin

phils toys

Now my journey starts . See everyone in the morning
Phils toys
:fastcar:
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintony

See you guys friday!
Everyone have a safe trip to Carlisle!!!!!!!
From Pintony

fordraceman15

Hi all
I just got done getting all my parts together for the show. I will have 2 spots J169,J170 I have some pinto parts 72-76. I will be cleaning my car up for the show tomorrow. See you all at the show firday!!!

Boss2300

exspect scattered showers 30 to 40% chance all 4 days. Oh well it is Carlisle. See u all soon.
'I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisable, with liberty and justice for all.'

phils toys

2 more days of work before vacation  :fastcar: and away we go
phils toys
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

77turbopinto

Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

77turbopinto

There seems to be an issue wtih the registrations. Carlisle only says that we have 15, but there should be more.

I am not worried.

Just to let everyone know, Connie and I will be bringing/doing a bunch of stuff, and we would like the parking spots next to the tent. Thanks.

Bill

Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

fordraceman15

Hi Bill
Did you find out the car count?
Thanks
John

77turbopinto

10 days to GO!!

Those that have been to Carlisle know about the parade on Sunday for the class trophy winners (3 per class, two Pinto classes). In an effort to have as many Pintos in the parade as possible, I am ASKING that if you don't want to participate in the parade, or can't stay for Sunday, please put a note on your car asking not to be voted for. I can not make anyone do this, again I am only asking. Last year we only had 2 in the parade of the 6 that could have been there. We know it is a pain to do the parade, but it helps our club as well as each member when we get in the puplic eye. The event staff will 'short-stage' any cars with overheating issues.



BTW: I have a few parts for sale in the for sale section. I can bring them if there is someone wanting them.

List for now:

NOS left front wheel lip molding for a 79/80
Driveshaft for a 72 wagon
      (45" o/c, can be used in a turbo or V8 car)
Orange plaid cloth
2 gauge clusters for 79/80 cars

Please check the for sale section for other items; I will see what else I have and add it to this list.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

NoForKin

tryin to post a pic of my 71
                  NoForKin

leanween

Add another Pinto to the list. My 1978 Tangerine Pinto Squire are joining the festivities at Carlisle. Cant wait to see the herd of Pintos that are gonna be there. This is my first car show, and Im really excited about it. Looking forward to meeting all of you Pinto nuts.. Until then...  :peace: Jeremy a.k.a LEANWEEN
1978 Pinto Squire. 48,000 original miles.

fordraceman15

Hi Bill
I received your email. The two are Paul & Steve,I think there is a problem with Steve's entry they have it as a mustang? I will talk to him tonight, and find out if it was fixed.
Thanks
John

77turbopinto

I talked to Toni today and she will be checking on that for me, but it looks like that is it so far. There might be a few that were not PCCA members.

As soon as I get more info I will post it.

Thanks for posting about your registration.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

NoForKin

I just registered my pinto for the ford weekend and they said that only 13 pinto"s were registered so far can this be true???  well my wife and i will be there with my 71. hope to see you all there
       Brian Berg ///   NoForKin
                         10.37@130.48 MPH !/4 mile :2fast4u:


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