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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Scott Hamilton

Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

vonkysmeed

Quote from: Scott Hamilton on April 26, 2007, 11:07:51 PM
Someone PLEASE let me know who the 'Napper' is .... I LOVE this Shot!!!  HA!   

Is this the napper you are refering to?  

If so, that is me.  too bad she did not get me from the left to catch the plate at the same time.



73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
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Scott Hamilton

WOW, what can I say about this years Knott's Berry Farm meet & first PCCA 'blessed' one... ALL HAIL BRAD! I don't know if everyone knew or not but Brad was working his tail off all day and was toasted at the end... He really did all of us proud to the enth degree,  Toast, 'Clink'...

Also wanted to wave a big thanks flag out to Frank Canon of Pinto Works, (PCCA Shirts), Frank provided the shirts for the event at no initial cost to the group. Did you guys see the shirts? Aren't they great?

I have never seen this many pintos in all my life, and been so impressed with the quality of people attending not to mention the exceptional cars.... What a pleasure! My wife was even very pleasantly surprised that yes indeed there are others out there and that everyone was so nice. She even pledged to help me finish the garage and work on the Pintos so we can bring one next time, DING... Serious Wife points!!! ...

As most of you saw, she took pictures of the prizes/winners (she was really getting into the spirit!)... Will be posting them soon.. (will need help from Brad on the what won..etc.. did not write that down...

Here are some shots my brother took of the meet, please disregard the family shots and concentrate on the Pintos...

http://www.fordpinto.com/images/PCCA_FFF07/PCCA_FFF07.html

Someone PLEASE let me know who the 'Napper' is .... I LOVE this Shot!!!  HA!

IMPORTANT: If you were there, do a quick PM direct to me so I can give you a Merit Badge on your profile on the site... don't want to miss anyone!!

More later....
   
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
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White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
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mpintotoo

well i made it home from a great weekend down at knotts berry farms want to thank brad and dave for a great time all the pintos look great thank albeto and his family for the lil gettogether at there house on sat afternoon good stuff to be had there thanks for scott and his wife for making the trip out to see the west coasters and what we have to show  29 this year 40 next year like to see some of you up here in nor cal for the ford show in sept     thanks to  it was fun see u next year              mike       

Pintopower

All I can say is WOW! 29? Next year I bet we pass the 40 mark! That was a Killer show! It was great to meet Scott, Dave and Mark and to see Pintony and Joe again! I hope we can do it all again next year when we can all register for our all new Pinto Class! No more "Other" for us!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

redmustangman3

Just wanted to say a BIG thank you for the hospitality and GREAT time Fran & I had at the Knotts show. A special thank you to Brad for all his work to make this one of the greatest PINTO meets of all time. It was nice to meet Scott and his wife and what a super surprise to have my Pinto voted 1st Place 2007 Shiney Award !!! It doesn't get much better. See you all next year- Joe & Fran Hendrickson
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

phils toys

Looks like everyone had a great time. Nice Pictures. Hope we can have as nice of a turn out at Carsile. Weather included
Phils  toys
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turbopinto72

Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbopinto72

Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Srt

Quote from: turbopinto72 on April 22, 2007, 11:30:45 PM
Great pictures............ ;D
I will have a full report tomorrow Including more pictures and all the dirt. I can tell you that 29 Pintos attended and Thats some kind of a record for Pinto attendance.
I want to thank everyone who attended for having such a successful showing of automotive history.  I took about 70 pics and had a real good time looking and reliving the past.  Thank you Brad for taking some time to talk to me.  I would have liked to stay longer but needed to pay the bills.  I would like to pick the brains of ALL you guys about your cars.  There were 29 (or 30) examples of genuine love for your automobiles and ALL of them are cool.  Steve & Jennifer (name?)(from Yucaipa), thanks for sitting with me for coffee!!!
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

vonkysmeed

Quote from: claudermilk on April 22, 2007, 10:06:47 PM
Good grief, we want it all and we want it now!!!  Well....  :2fast4u:  here are mine: http://claudermilk.smugmug.com/gallery/2665160. Enjoy.  ;D

Here is my update.  I did have a setting off in the camera, but it worked well for the most part

http://mysite.verizon.net/project.frankenpinto/update042207/update042207.html

Enjoy.  IF I missed somthing, please let me know and I will correct my page.
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
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turbopinto72

Great pictures............ ;D
I will have a full report tomorrow Including more pictures and all the dirt. I can tell you that 29 Pintos attended and Thats some kind of a record for Pinto attendance.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

claudermilk

Good grief, we want it all and we want it now!!!  Well....  :2fast4u:  here are mine: http://claudermilk.smugmug.com/gallery/2665160. Enjoy.  ;D

CHEAPRACER

All I can say is WOW! I've never seen so many Pintos in one year let alone in the same place at the same time. I didn't show up with my car but after that turn out, I'm sure I'll be there next year. I noticed no 2.3 EFI turbos (unless under a closed hood???) & I would have been unique, which is why I chose this build, & kicked myself in the butt a few times but there's always next year.

Oh ya, we spotted Pintony 4 cars away and never met the guy before, all the Pinto gear was a dead give a way. Thanks for the great conversation.

Someone hurry with the pics!   
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

pinto4you2003

My apologies to all but I will not be able to go as planned. I heard an unusual sound coming from the engine last night while taking her on a short drive around town and it is too late to diagnose.  Good luck and I hope the weather holds.  I will try again next year.   don

qikpnto

I'm driving up there tommorow in the rain but not like that matters the paint is crap anyways. So all I have to do is shine up the wheels and bumpers and i'm good to go. See you guys there!
77 V8 Cruzin Wagon Custom

vonkysmeed

Quote from: turbopinto72 on April 19, 2007, 03:58:23 PM
WEATHER REPORT
As of Thursday 4/19/07. Sunday 4/22/07 High will be 64 low will be 53. Day time will be mostly cloudy. They do expect RAIN this Friday ( tomorrow ) so cover your cars.

I am more worried about covering the intake.  I still have a hole in the hood with an edelbrock air filter.  I am going to try to finish the hood so it will stay dry
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

turbopinto72

2007 SHINEY AWARDS
At the show, we will have a peoples choice for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place. There will be Trophies for the Cars that get the most votes. The voting will be by FORDPINTO.COM members and the cars will be judged on anything that a particular member thinks is outstanding about a particular car. This could be most stack, most modified, most shiny parts, etc .
There will also be an 11 question Quiz and the winner with the most correct and runner ups will receive gifts.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbopinto72

WEATHER REPORT
As of Thursday 4/19/07. Sunday 4/22/07 High will be 64 low will be 53. Day time will be mostly cloudy. They do expect RAIN this Friday ( tomorrow ) so cover your cars.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

vonkysmeed

Well, I got it running again with a new top end.  I did in fact have a blown head gasket.  >:(  So, now in place of the edelbrock intake, 2bbl carb and truck heads, I now have heads and 4bbl intake from a 69 torino/fairlane along with a edelbrock carb.  All items cost me a total of $7 and tremendously help my budget for the GRM 2k7 that I am entering this year.  Now to solve the oil leak from the rear main seal

73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

High_Horse

Pintony left St.Louis Wednesday and is on his way to knotts. I expect he and Original74 will be arriving together or close.
Also, If any of you west coast guys have any trash bucket seats or dashcaps that are going to get tossed Pintony said he would haul them back this way. Thanx
Wish I could make it......Next year for sure.

                                                             High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

turbopinto72

GREAT NEWS CONCERNING OUR OWN CLASS.
Please read the email I received from the Ford Car club.

Brad,

We are glad that you have organized the Pintos and have as many as 30 coming to the show. We would be happy to add a class for you if you can gather that much participation.
To have a class added, we would like for you to join our council and participate in the Ford Car Club Council meetings. At this point the best way to accomplish that would be to attend the show in mass, have a representative visit the registration booth and ask to see Marc or Frank. We can get the info to you so one of your members can start attending the meetings and we can discuss adding a Pinto class.
Hope to see you there!

Marc Bodrie
Fabulous Fords Chairman
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

vonkysmeed

73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

turbopinto72

Also, if you can get it add some "water-wetter". you can get it from Summit etc. The stuff really works.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

vonkysmeed

Quote from: turbopinto72 on April 05, 2007, 12:36:25 AM
Just a suggestion but you need to have some restriction in the Tstat housing to allow the watter to slow down long enough to let the radiator to dissipate the heat. I don't think you want to remover the Tstat. You might want to replace it with a large washer with a 3/4 hole in it.

Thanks Brad,

I will put in a lower temp t stat tonight and try again.  With any luck it will be ok.  I may need to also flush out the system. 
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

turbopinto72

Just a suggestion but you need to have some restriction in the Tstat housing to allow the watter to slow down long enough to let the radiator to dissipate the heat. I don't think you want to remover the Tstat. You might want to replace it with a large washer with a 3/4 hole in it.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

vonkysmeed

13 miles could be more troublesome that I thought.  It is still overheating after removing the t stat.  I could have blown the head gasket.  If necessary, I may put my new to me heads, intake and carb this saturday and try again.  If it does not work, then I will be there, but the car will not.  Wish me luck
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

mpintotoo

add the boss to the list i should be there by sat afternoon anything going on sat afternoon or sat night iam staying at the hampton close to the show

mpintotoo

hey guys i well be come down from the sf bay area i have many parts to  i be staying at the hampton inn  2 blocks from the show  let me know whats going on for sat  afternoon i should be there by early noon  leave a phone number where i can meet ppl on sat afternoon

turbopinto72

IMPORTANT NOTICE
APRIL 6TH IS THE LASTDAY TO REGISTER FOR THE KNOTTS SHOW.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto


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