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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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r4pinto

Sold the car. Needed too much
Every panel was shot except liftgate. Add the rust everywhere it was just too much for my abilities.

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Dtmix

Congrats on your new Squire! I have been away for several weeks and now starting to catch up with all the news!

Give me a list of parts that you are looking for, and I will check against my own pandemic project to see where I obtained them from. Most were NOS parts, and if you have the part number, it is surprisingly easy to locate. I have a parts book published by Ford, so I can get you the parts numbers as well.

Happy Motoring!
Dan
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PintoRoyL

A little at a time, and we eventually get to where we are going.
I only spent about an hour on mine today, but it is farther now than it was yesterday, and yours is too now.
Keep on keep'in on my friend.

r4pinto


The gas cap looked so out of place. Is it perfect? Nope but much better. I also started doing some repairs to the driver door. It's completely shot. I'm essentially polishing a turd but it'll look better than it does now. I did some filling, some sanding. Need to do more filling and sanding tomorrow.


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r4pinto

Electrical isn't as bad as I originally thought. The radio works intermittently, although it isn't the greatest. It has a short within, so I will be installing the radio I have in my 80 parts car. In my old 77 I had an 8 track but my 80 I had a cassette player with digital tuner. A radio I enjoyed. I will be installing that radio in the car, as well as the door speakers. I previously bought speaker grilles from a Ford Escort. I will paint them red and install them in the back of the car, so it has 4 speakers. For now I'll use the speaker box that I bought for another car. It will go in behind the back seat. Or maybe I will emulate my parents old wagon and have some generic speakers in the back lol.

Future upgrades will include a/c and maybe a 2.8V6. This weekend I will pull the transmission line so I can bend a new one and reinstall it. The copper lines are easy to bend so I will get those.
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r4pinto


Well I got the new pan gasket installed but disaster struck. The metal line at the transmission fractured. I now need to replace the line. I tell you I must need my head examined for fixing a rusty crusty 77 wagon and not the almost potentially not as crusty but still rusty 80 hatchback. It still had its share of rust. Oh well. I'll get a pair of lines made so it won't leak again.


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r4pinto

Quote from: PintoTim2 on September 01, 2021, 06:43:05 AM
R4Pinto:  any chance that your windshield on the 80 is in good shape??   I need one for the Pintaroo (wagon->pickup conversion) and 79/80 windshields are hard to find.   I think you're in Ohio and I'm just a bit North of that border....
There is 100% chance it is in good shape and 100% chance it will be sold to whomever is interested in it. Hit me up in PM. I can even take pics of it.


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PintoTim2

R4Pinto:  any chance that your windshield on the 80 is in good shape??   I need one for the Pintaroo (wagon->pickup conversion) and 79/80 windshields are hard to find.   I think you're in Ohio and I'm just a bit North of that border....

r4pinto


More minor yet necessary progress! I did some tinkering on the wiring. I went ahead and cut off the pig tail from the 1980 harness and spliced it. Now I have two parking lights. In all honesty I'm really afraid to tackle the floor but know I will have to. I can't sit in the car currently with that seat falling lol. The brake pedal on the 1980 goes to the floor so I will be starting to disassemble its brakes so I can scavenge parts including the newer left caliper, newer drums and other parts. I don't know that I will install those wheel cylinders even though they were replaced in 2018. Had an experience where I installed a wheel cylinder from another car that had one for a year. It blew out and killed brake shoes. I am cutting the car up so if anything I might keep those for spares in case one blows. I do have new in box already so I'm good regardless.


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r4pinto


Thanks Dwayne it's nice to get little things done. Here's the repair to the ring. Ideal no. Functional yes. I got the headlight from rockauto with the purchase of a magnet . I used some aluminum tape to hold it together so it's at least not as trashy broken. Eventually I will source a replacement since the Dorman replacement units don't fit well. I started pulling parts off the 80 and once all is pulled out of the interior I will get a blade in the grinder and start to cut on the floor and subframe. I will take all I can and sell what I don't. What doesn't sell will be scrapped. The 77 needs extensive repairs to the floors but can't explain it. I'm attached to it more than I ever was the 80. Honestly I never got attached to it and wished I bought the 78 wagon in North Carolina instead of the 80 hatch in Ohio. Oh well things happen for a reason.


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Even little things are good progress



ABSOLUTELY!!! :)
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r4pinto


Headlight died so I bought a new one. Even little things are good progress


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r4pinto


Although the car has a rusted out frame area I went ahead and finished what I started. I put the trash wheels and tires from the 80 on the car. Eventually I will get white walls but first things first. Fix the transmission leak, brakes, and address the severe rust I found. I will probably have to pay someone to weld in new and will cut up the 80 for parts. What I don't cut up will be sold but the entire floor will be used to fix the wagon as well as other parts. No love lost since I hated that car anyway.


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

PintoRoyL

I did this just yesterday. I tried to remove the crankshaft pulleys from both of my engines to swap with each other, but found that I didn't have the correct puller to get the pulleys off. I instead checked RockAuto for alternators, and found a price, then called my local NAPA whse/store. NAPA's price was only $1 more, in stock, and included the same pully as the newer engine going into the car, PLUS a special weekend only 25% discount for AAA members--- SCORE!!!!

r4pinto

I'm continuing at this point. My hatch I never really liked. Had issues. Rust discovered including a rusted out hatch area and left rear quarter panel. To save this wagon I will sacrifice the hatchback. Floor, subframe, engine, and other parts will be cut from the car. Rear brakes apparently are new. I will take the entire braking system from the 80 and install it on the 77. The engine on the 77 is smoking. I don't know if it's valve seals or if it's in need of an entire engine rebuild. For now the plan is to do an engine swap on the 77. Sort of poetic justice. 77 engine will be pulled from the 80 and installed in a 77.

Driver seat from the 80 will get installed in the 77 since it's in better shape. Eventually I will see what I can do about finding a correct replacement to the 77 seat.

I did install the wheels and tires from the 80 on the 77 wagon and hubcaps.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
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r4pinto


Disaster struck


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r4pinto

Yeah, I'm cautious about some parts from them and always comparison shop before I buy. If it's close in price and in stock at the stores I go to stores. Knock on wood no issues yet


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Wittsend

My only caution about Rock Auto close out parts are they can be (but not always) customer returns. I once go close-out brake pads for my wife's Civic. They were too thick to fit. Time was an issue as was the returning process. So, I spent about an hour sanding the pads (with good mask on) to finally get them to fit. Another time I bought an O2 sensor clos- out. It wasn't too long after the 90 day warranty that the heating element went bad. So, I sometimes wonder if they buy (perhaps unknowingly) suspect parts that the manufacturer know will fail in less than typical time.

Also my son inherited his grandmother's Mazda. It is 24 years old, 40K miles and NEVER had the timing belt changed. The one Rock Auto sent had packaging that looked like it was from the 90's. Being a rubber part I was concern the "new" belt might be 20 years old. I contacted the manufacturer and the person felt the belt might be too old as well. Rock Auto sent another belt but this one didn't even come in a box to get a "feel" for the date of manufacture. At this point I felt that just about any belt might be old given the 24 year old car and we just used one of the two.

But, otherwise I've not had issue with Rock Auto with their regular parts.

r4pinto

A shame I can't seem to post the video clip. She doesn't sound horrible though lol


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r4pinto

Went out to the car. Shored up the seat with a 2x4 so it won't fall through the floor. Pumped the pedal. Fired right up. Doesn't sound perfect but runs fair. Once I get the valve cover gasket I will pull it so I can inspect the cam and possibly plan for replacement


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: Wittsend on August 09, 2021, 02:18:55 PM
The timing belt replacement is wise. For the 2.3 they are very reasonable. Check the tensioner too, water pump as well. If the car is not driven daily that electric fuel pump will be appreciated. Saves the battery and starter when the carburetor fuel bowl is full BEFORE  you try starting.
Rockauto had a tensioner and belt for $15. And the best part is the free magnet that comes with! lol. There was a warehouse clearance belt for $1.50 so I also bought that. I'm a sucker for clearance and it's a good thing to have in my tool box anyway.  Got three parts shipments on the way, including the timing belt. The coolant is fresh so I'm suspecting the last guy did some work to get it going, including 4 AC Delco plugs. Original looking wires will get replaced, as will the cap and rotor.

Additionally I will look at re-wiring the fuel pump. They have it to the ignition coil hot side so the moment I turn the key to on it runs. Looking at getting a relay and oil pump switch so it won't run unless the engine runs.
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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

PintoRoyL

While waiting on the clutch-pressure plate, and other parts, I have gone through the brakes and replaced almost everything. My Pinto has been setting for 25 yrs, I didn't want my first "Grand Reopening" outing to also be it's last. Like you said, I also want to get mine "driving, stopping, then looking better".

r4pinto

Quote from: r4pinto on August 13, 2021, 07:05:52 PM
For me I think the reason I don't like the hatch is because I grew up with a 77 squire wagon, and I liked the sedan because my mom owned a 73 sedan. Wagons have always been my favorite but the sedan was my second favorite.
Funny you say shelf/storage. That's how the 1980 runabout has been as of recent years. It just sits.  I jumped on the wagon since even it its rough rough condition is my dream car. It needs a ton of work but hopefully I can get it better. Eventually do more of the work correctly but main objective for now is get it driving, stopping, then looking better. This is the car I always wanted and I will cherish it greatly.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: PintoTim2 on August 11, 2021, 07:20:25 AM
I find it interesting what people like in cars.   It's probably a generational & region thing.   I love hatchbacks, but I'm 56.  My Dad's souped up '72 pinto was a sedan (bought used) & he really wanted a hatch.  My first car was a used '79 hatchback Bobcat (no option car).  When my buddy offered me his highly modified '72 Pinto hatchback several years back, I thought I hit the lottery!   I always liked the crusin' vans too, but my kids look at me like I'm nuts - they prefer the wagons!  I have a set of crusin' panels & trim so if I ever get a wagon, it'll be converted before I leave it to one of them!   
For me I think the reason I don't like the hatch is because I grew up with a 77 squire wagon, and I liked the sedan because my mom owned a 73 sedan. Wagons have always been my favorite but the sedan was my second favorite.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

PintoRoyL

I agree with you about the way different people like different types of cars. While I am not a "highly motivated" type, I seem to always have something I want to build/change/repair. My hatchback Runabout was used like a p/u truck more than as a passenger vehicle. I did have access to an actual p/u truck whenever I needed, but I felt good driving my Pinto until it quit in 1996. I replaced the Pinto as a daily with a '79 Datsun p/u, so I then had a true (though miniature) p/u truck. All of those "someday" dreams are finally coming to pass, getting myself started on restoring that same old hatchback at least to driving condition again. Its been 25 yrs since I pushed it into the garage and used it as a shelf/storage bin.

PintoTim2

I find it interesting what people like in cars.   It's probably a generational & region thing.   I love hatchbacks, but I'm 56.  My Dad's souped up '72 pinto was a sedan (bought used) & he really wanted a hatch.  My first car was a used '79 hatchback Bobcat (no option car).  When my buddy offered me his highly modified '72 Pinto hatchback several years back, I thought I hit the lottery!   I always liked the crusin' vans too, but my kids look at me like I'm nuts - they prefer the wagons!  I have a set of crusin' panels & trim so if I ever get a wagon, it'll be converted before I leave it to one of them!   

r4pinto

Quote from: PintoTim2 on August 10, 2021, 01:20:15 PM
Good find on that tank.   They are very hard to find in decent condition.   I bought my "Pintaroo" (wife's name for a Pinto Ranchero) with a fuel cell in the bed!   Took me quite awhile to find a tank to work with (had it shipped from New York to Michigan) - costs around $75 to ship IIRC.   I have heard of a Pinto wagon that used a Mustang II tank to get more volume (those tanks are available).   

Looking at the favorite Pinto section, the wagons are the most popular.  Someday I want one to make a cruisin' van.  But I need to finish my '72 hatch & '80 Pintaroo first.....

Looks like you have a great project!
Thanks. I should have bought the 77-8 wagon in 2013 but didn't. Instead I bought my 80 runabout which I never liked for two reasons- square look and hatchback lol. Oh well. I'll take some items off that car before I sell it off.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

PintoTim2

Good find on that tank.   They are very hard to find in decent condition.   I bought my "Pintaroo" (wife's name for a Pinto Ranchero) with a fuel cell in the bed!   Took me quite awhile to find a tank to work with (had it shipped from New York to Michigan) - costs around $75 to ship IIRC.   I have heard of a Pinto wagon that used a Mustang II tank to get more volume (those tanks are available).   

Looking at the favorite Pinto section, the wagons are the most popular.  Someday I want one to make a cruisin' van.  But I need to finish my '72 hatch & '80 Pintaroo first.....

Looks like you have a great project!

r4pinto

Quote from: r4pinto on August 10, 2021, 12:41:24 PM
Thanks. Last night I was having second thoughts after a lousy day at work. Sad that can affect anything. Pumped the gas once and fired up. I'm starting to order parts for it so I can mechanically get it sound. I'm looking at an entire roll of copper brake tubing. That stuff is awesome. Easy to bend and flare, while strong enough. Glad when the parts stores started selling it.


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I've also located a gas tank in California for it. Going to go used since they don't make wagon tanks and my old one is shot. I'm guessing that's where my gas smell is coming from.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: dga57 on August 10, 2021, 12:27:55 PM
I've seen a lot worse!  It looks like a great starting point for a project.

Dwayne :)
Thanks. Last night I was having second thoughts after a lousy day at work. Sad that can affect anything. Pumped the gas once and fired up. I'm starting to order parts for it so I can mechanically get it sound. I'm looking at an entire roll of copper brake tubing. That stuff is awesome. Easy to bend and flare, while strong enough. Glad when the parts stores started selling it.


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Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress


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