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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Wittsend

Your seats look very nice! They seem to fit well too. I used the T-Bird Turbo Coupe seats just because I had them. The side bolsters are adjustable width but even set as narrow as possible (thankfully I'm one of those skinny Americans) they touch the trans tunnel and sides of the door (lightly).




dga57

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72DutchWagon

It's again been a long time, but here we are with some news.
Donkey gets treated to some new used seats, the red ones that are in there aren't the original ones any way (original interior is black, back seat still is), and very much used up.
The new ones aren't perfect, but much better. They are original Recaro's from a 1997 Ford Puma (Europe only), $ 35 each.
I was very pleased to find these at Venyard (www.venauto.nl), just 15 km from my place. It's a rather new wrecking yard with all cars photographed and put on the website with location, so you can check at home if they have something interesting.
I'm still looking for a pair of Wagon tailgate springs, if anyone can help me with these I'd be much obliged.

Wittsend

It is interesting that while Ford never sold the Pinto in Europe the 2.0 EAO engine that was built in Germany was referred to as the "Pinto Engine" on Wheelers Dealers. And in that case I believe it was some French 'van like vehicle' that it was used in. So, a Germany motor in a French vehicle that was referenced by name to a car that was never sold in Europe. Strange.

72DutchWagon

Donkey was imported to the Netherlands from Oregon in 2014 by somebody who quickly lost interest. I was able to buy the car from him at a real sweet price. In 2015 the engine was swapped for a 1985 version of the same but with factory efi and a five-speed gearbox (T9).
Lots of classic cars are imported from the States to the Netherlands, afterwards many of them find their way to other European countries.

Dtmix

I love travelling to Europe, Great Britain, and Ireland...but I have to admit that I never saw a Pinto over there!  I wondered if your Pinto was left behind by a staff member of an embassy or a military base?  Have you seen any other Pintos other than yours in Europe?

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Happy Motoring!
Dan

72DutchWagon

Hi folks, it's been a long time but I'm back here to inform you that Donkey is still in good health and even pushing for new frontiers!
I didn't have much news lately as old faithfull just does what he is supposed to do, and hasn't had any work or money put in to him. Apart from oil change, new sprak plugs and that sort of thing of course.
But now, with a ladder on the roof and tools in the back he has been to France, where I acquired a dilapidated  countryside cottage.  Now there's a country that doesn't see many Pinto's visiting.
Curious people kept asking what it was, as they had never seen one before.

pinto_one

great that you keep it inside , I do the same with mine to make it last for my liftime , for gearing I do have a New set of rare 4.11 gears for the stock 6 3/4 pinto rear still in the box I have had forever ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

SpaceCowboy1979

On all three of my pinto wagons
The leaks were coming from holes on both sides where
The fresh air duct work connects to air channel.    air comes
In the grill at the bottom of windshield exterior of car
Then enters this channel lots of debris collect here
Gets wet then causes corrosion   
Could very well make it look like windshield and or
Heater core leak.
I would  check this before reinstalling your heating unit
You may want to remove hood with the hinge and the boots to get
A good look
I put a couple of light bulbs inside this area too get a good look
Then work on

72DutchWagon

Blaine, windshield and cowl must have been troublesome in the past, someone stuffed all the seams and gasket full of sealant which still seems to work for the moment. Major problem now was the leaking heater core.
Donkey is always sleeping inside in a well ventilated lock up, so not too many humidity problems.
I am still running the 3.40, and would actually rather try a 3.55 or even 3.80, because the Scorpio I got the engine and T9 from had a factory 3.92 ratio.
The 2.79 was only mentioned because it came in my backup Maverick pumpkin, rest assured, no way I'm putting that behind a manual gearbox.
I already owe you too many thanks, but thanks again for wanting to check out the tailgate spring, take your time!

pinto_one

getting there quickly now , did you check for leaks around the windsheld and cowl area , they are the main reasons for rusty floors , the windsheld gaskets dry up and start leaking water straght to the floors , those you can buy now on e-bay , and last on your rear ratio are you sticking with the 3.40 ?  the 2.79 is kind of tall for overdrive of the T-9 you got , it will work out and the carpit looks great , it make the car much quiet , mine I brought and installed extra insolation in mine , hardly any road nosie now , and on the rear spring I wonder if a 76 wagon spring could be the same , have one and later I can pull and mesure to check it out , later Blaine
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dga57

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72DutchWagon

New heater core is in the housing, new foam on the cold/hot air door, ready to close the box and put it back under the dash.  POR15 on the welded in plates and surrounding surface rust areas. After that I sprayed it over on the inside with white paint, on the outside with underbody coating.
And last but not least, with the heater core fixed,  I'm putting in the carpet! It was a long wait Blaine and Robert, but here it is!

72DutchWagon

The large patch is in too, sorry, no real floor patch panel, just a flat plate.
I also removed the fender antenna and radio, radio didn't work properly no more after ditching the voltage regulator , anti noise thingy was next to the voltage regulator, never bothered to correct that issue.
So as an extra some small fender holes to weld up. Image shows old magnets  holding circle in place before welding.
Rockauto heater core (yes, already had it for some years) is a  good match, I'll test it for leaks before putting the heater box back in the car. Still have to put foam on the door.
I got myself a POR15 starter kit from the one supplier we seem to have here in the Netherlands, I'll read the instructions carefully before making a mess Wittsend!

SpaceCowboy1979


Wittsend

Just Google POR 15 to see where it might be available in Europe..., if at all.  That said here in the USA there are some brick & mortar stores that carry it, but it is available on line at MANY places.  In the past I have actually purchased it directly from POR-15. Read up about it because you have to follow their procedure.

SpaceCowboy1979


Wittsend

You might consider POR 15 (or similar product) on those floors. I used it with their mesh (a thin fiberglass sheet) not unlike what hobby stores sell for model planes.  I'll include below a few pictures of how bad the floors were on my Studebaker Daytona and the end results with the mesh.

  They say you can just flake off the loose rust and paint, but I sandblasted, treated with Phosphoric Acid THEN applied the POR 15 and in most cases put the mesh on both sides. It has been at least 7 years now and the floors look as good as the finished picture.

72DutchWagon

One small patch done, larger one is next.
This isn't a concours car, functional is the name of the game here.

72DutchWagon

Good one that, Wittsend! Yes, I think it should go on both sides, I'll do something like you did.

Rat Wiz as base component for a new line of (metal) adhesives, now that's an idea...

Wittsend

Uggg..., I had Rat Wiz trickle down between the cylinder barrel and the cylinder head on my Corvair. The urine reacts with the aluminum and forms a grout like substance fortified with Super Glue! In the image below it is hard to see where the cast iron ends and the aluminum begins. No penetrating oil, heat, or hard whacks from a dead blow hammer is even giving a hint of freeing the parts!


Regarding the foam on the heater flap; I used closed cell foam that is often used in packaging. I believe this was from a wrapper for a motherboard. I simply used spray contact adhesive to hold the foam in place. As best I recall I did both sides.

dga57

Those pesky mice do find a way into most any space, don't they? ::) >:(
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

72DutchWagon

Thanks Dwayne, and sorry for the long silence, but the car just keeps going, what can I do?
Well, back to the heater core, there was an uninhabited mice nest on it, had to clear that first.
When opened up, the leaking radiator was obvious. What I also found was that the door that regulates cold or warm air coming in must have been covered with some kind of foam, of which most has crumbled away after 47 years, this probably means that it won't shut of either passage way positively, so no 100% cold or 100% warm setting.  Have to think about a solution for that.

dga57

Welcome back after a nine month hiatus!!!  You were missed!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

72DutchWagon

Yes, Donkey is still around!
In for some necessary repairs and updates, passenger floor needs some patches welded in, but before that I have to tackle a leaking heater core problem (which could have attributed to the floor rot), so out with the heater housing.
Hands up everyone who has a brand new heater core in the box, but is postponing creeping under the dash until the end of time. I know, it is no fun.
It took me half a day, 72 Ford Car Shop Manual wasn't 100% helpful, but with some patience, the bugger came out. I'll report on further dissection.
As I had to drain the coolant any way, I pulled the radiator and fan to get access to the crank pulley, going to try to fit one with a trigger wheel.

72DutchWagon

Finished taking apart the rear end, no further surprises, 2.79 ring and pinion like new.

72DutchWagon

Started disassembly of the Maverick  rear end, so far one completely shot right axle bearing and oil seal, axles are good, just goes to show that pieces of old iron like these can never be trusted to be able to be put in action immediately.
Taking it apart makes it easier to handle the different parts,  but there is a higher risk of not finding all the bits when you need them to come together.

72DutchWagon

Déjà vu? No, I just did it again, couldn't resist picking up this Ford Maverick 8 inch axle as a backup for my 8 inch Mustang II rear end. I know it isn't as wide, and the perches are in the wrong place, and it's a 5-lug, but in reality, I just got it for the diff.  To be able to work on one while driving around with the other one.  These things don't grow on trees around here, and there are some hoarders around who ask crazy prices, so when one pops up, you go for it.
This one was just south of Bruges in Belgium, 3 hour round trip, Donkey happy all the way.
Fordification tag decoding for WDW-AA tag gives a 2.79 ratio 75-77 Maverick, seems correct.
We've had the discussion about the ideal gear ratio here before, but at the moment I'm certain 3.40 is to tall for my 195/65/15 winter tires. I checked what the gear ratio was on the Scorpio that supplied my drivetrain, and that was a 3.92 (with factory 185/70/14 tires)!
I think I'm going to aim for a 3.8 ring and pinion, which combined with the desired 195/55/15 summer tires gets me as close as possible to the original setup.
Wittsend, can you check my calculations????
And for all you folks with an eye for detail, yes the tailgate is held up with a broomstick, haven't found a solution for the broken left tailgate spring yet.  If someone has a set of these lying about,  please send me a PM.

72DutchWagon

My European Pinto 2.0 EFI is run by  a Ford EECIV ecu, similar to the ones in loads of eighties and nineties American Ford's, not with the same software and components of course.
As I am contemplating to get a newer aftermarket ecu somewhere in the future, and I had been thinking about a step by step reversible transition, I went searching for an extra EECIV connector, so I wouldn't have to hack up my original Scorpio injection harness.
The connectors are available new on ebay, but most without terminals, or very pricey.
I found a cheap complete Focus ecu at the scrappy, but then came the real issue, how to get 60 pins desoldered from the PCB. I read all sorts of info on forums but nothing worked, gas torch or heat gun are only good for destroying the lot. Desoldering with a soldering station didn't work, the heat seemed to flow away in the circuit board, the solder wouldn't melt. Buying a real desoldering station for this one job was a step too far for me.
I ended up grinding away the PCB around every single one of the sixty pins with a Dremel, after that the heat of the soldering iron was enough to loosen the small "diamonds" left around the pins.
Now with an extra connector, I could even make a breakout box like this guy did: http://www.merkurclub.com/kizerweb/scorpio/misc/tools/breakout.htm
That way I could hook up anything to the existing harness for testing purposes.

72DutchWagon

For the last half year I've been using Donkey as a car without spending any extra money on it.
Come fall, I did think that it was time for a service, new oil,  filter, brake fluid etc.
All went well except for a stuck brake bleeder and a loose grease nipple on the left front side.
So the caliper had to come off, used lots of WD40, put a nail in the stuck bleeder to prevent it from collapsing and with the help of a pipe wrench managed to get it out in one piece.  New brake bleeder was Dorman 13901.
That was one problem fixed, then the other one; I enlarged the grease nipple hole, cut new thread and fitted a larger nipple.
I had some time to spare so decided to pull out the chairs and rubber mats and check out the floors and maybe test fit Blaine's carpet. As this required making holes in the carpet for seat belts, handbrake and shifter, and not having a Torx T50 bit lying around for removing the seat belts I decided that this would have to wait. I also discovered two places in the floor pan that will require a small patch welded in. Moisture and time will eventually take their toll on everything, and the fact that there is a lot of kit used around the front windscreen, and the original carpet being replaced somewhere in the past  by a few pieces of rubber mat,  indicates previous moisture problems.
This car does have an old rust prevention undercoating, which has helped it staying in good condition for a long time,  but it's past its prime now and will need removing before fixing the floor.
Another nice job for maybe next spring, the seats aren't falling through the floors yet!


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