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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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mrpinto73

i own a 73 pinto scott you the man i was wondering if anyone on here has a 2.3 turbo motor with wiring they would like too sell like too put it in my gold 73 thanks
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johnbigman2011

1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

racer99


johnbigman2011

1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

fast64ranchero

Cool, a new area to read!!
I like it...  I've done a few turbo setups
71 Pro-Street pinto 2.3T powered
72 Treasure Valley Special 26K miles pinto
72 old V-8 parts Pinto
73 pinto, the nice one...

Bigtimmay

1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

johnbigman2011

I didn't know that about the injectors untill I got back over here. That will be one thing I do when I get home.

Basically I just dropped the car and had to catch a plane.

The color should be visible right?
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Bigtimmay

Have you checked to see if your engines a 85 or a 85.5? easiest way to know which one would be look at the injectors and see what color they are also what intake does it have on it now?
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

johnbigman2011

Thanks Bigtimmay.

I hoping to do some trading when I'm home here in a coiple of weeks for the parts you mentioned.

The ole boy I bought my 79 from put the 87-88 IC under the hood and cut a hole for it to breath. I will be changing that to the FMIC for sure. Just will have to live with a small off set scoop for a while.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Bigtimmay

Quote from: johnbigman2011 on September 27, 2012, 07:49:03 PM
Bigtimmay, My 79 is already running.It has the 85 thunderbird Turbo in it with the T5. Wiring should be completes and ready for a PIMP, what do you think? Will I still need to do allot of tuning, if I put the PIMP in it.

All I'm wanting to do is install a Boport header, Boport stage 1 and looking for the intakes and such from a 87-88 now.

What else to make it a good runner?
Intercooler, 3" exhaust, brown top injectors, Large VAM ,87-88 bird ECU(unless you do switch to a squirt setup then the vam and ecu are pointless), manual boost controller,AFPR and a Wideband setup so yah can keep and eye on AFR.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Bigtimmay on September 27, 2012, 07:41:58 PM
Its actually super simple specially with that harness you wanna use Its even easier then using a merkur harness like I did.By the way heres the actual company that makes that harness. http://www.thedetailzone.com/Ford%20Replacement%20Harnesses.htm

Cool, simplicity is what I'm after. I only want about 300 HP at the wheels MAX. I'd like to get it into the high 11's & at 2100 pounds it should be quite capable. I don't want a tempermental PITA that blows head gaskets & melts pistons. This is just going to be a fun driver. My Stang will have all the HP I'll ever want & one insane street car is all I need.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Bigtimmay

Quote from: johnbigman2011 on September 27, 2012, 07:37:42 PM
Bigtimmay,

So your saying the PIMP that Stinger offers is pretty much a plug and play?

Which one would you say is the best/easiest?
Yes the PIMP is plug and play. Last I recall when you order one I comes with a base tune for starting the engine pre installed just gotta tell him whats all done to the engine.Then you can use a registered version of Tunerstudio and activate VE analyze live and it tunes while you drive.
I plan on doing the Pimp worste comes to worse I talk to my tuning buddy and get my car tuned that way but From all Ive read and seen its seems simple atleast to me.
By the way johnbigman2011 If your car doesnt have it already Id suggest yah install a 3 inch exhaust system and an Intercooler preferbly a front mount they work better then the stock 87-88 ones.Also if your injectors are the green tops you could install a set of brown tops and Large vam and ECU (requires repining the ECU plug but its easy) from a 87-88 Bird. and turn the boost to 15psi. easy way to have a 200+hp 2.3.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

johnbigman2011

Bigtimmay, My 79 is already running.It has the 85 thunderbird Turbo in it with the T5. Wiring should be completes and ready for a PIMP, what do you think? Will I still need to do allot of tuning, if I put the PIMP in it.

All I'm wanting to do is install a Boport header, Boport stage 1 and looking for the intakes and such from a 87-88 now.

What else to make it a good runner?
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Bigtimmay

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on September 27, 2012, 07:25:34 PM
EFI  was intimidating to me for the longest time but routine maintainance on my Neon & my dually has eased me into it. If I have an issue I Google it & work my way through it. I'm not ready to tune an engine with my laptop but I think I can get a 2.3 EFI swap done with my limited knowledge.
Its actually super simple specially with that harness you wanna use Its even easier then using a merkur harness like I did.By the way heres the actual company that makes that harness. http://www.thedetailzone.com/Ford%20Replacement%20Harnesses.htm
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

johnbigman2011

Bigtimmay,

So your saying the PIMP that Stinger offers is pretty much a plug and play?

Which one would you say is the best/easiest?
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Pinto5.0

EFI  was intimidating to me for the longest time but routine maintainance on my Neon & my dually has eased me into it. If I have an issue I Google it & work my way through it. I'm not ready to tune an engine with my laptop but I think I can get a 2.3 EFI swap done with my limited knowledge.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Bigtimmay

Quote from: johnbigman2011 on September 27, 2012, 05:36:01 PM
Bigtimmay.

The megasquirt system seems to be pretty straight forward as far as installation, But writing all the programs it needs, is a Big challenge for me.
Yeah but if your like me and you want some real power say 400+ your gonna have to tune it no matter what unless you wanna break stuff often. An when it come to tuning your basically either gonna use a J3 chip or run a stand alone ECU and from the programs Ive seen used by both for tuning the Squirt seems simpler.

I love my turbofords but they are old and well when ya drive one you better have spare parts on hand. Most of the parts that fail 90% of the time while driving a TF can be replaced/removed by swapping in a squirt. Also you can get squirts that plug in place of the stock ECU (PIMP ECU is just one of those) now so there is very minimal wiring needed if any.

If your gonna run the engine relatively stock sure ya can just drop in a large Vam,La3 ECU, brown top injectors and turn the boost to 15 psi and with a AFPR to 18 psi and just drive it. But like I said if your planning on a larger turbo,injectors, 20+ psi, High flowing BV head well then ya miswell do it once and not have to redo it later.
That detail zone harness is a nice piece though its alot nicer then my Merkur harness.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

johnbigman2011

50 I was lucky that my 79 was already made up. I'm just going to bolt on 87-88 parts and a new head. Just to make a little more HP.

I have met some great people in regards to the EFI stuff. Had I not I wouldn't be trying it myself.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Pinto5.0

My plan was to run this harness with the SVO ECU & VAM to make my life easier.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RFW-MG65/Application/?prefilter=1

I'm not heavily into EFI but I'm on a fast learning curve. Most turbo swaps are abandoned due to wiring headaches & until I learn every square inch of each connection & what it does I want to go with a plug & play harness regardless of the cost.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

johnbigman2011

Quote from: Bigtimmay on September 27, 2012, 05:21:41 PM
Miswell Just upgrade to a megasquirt system and not mess with the stock efi stuff If your pieceing it together anyhow.

Bigtimmay.

The megasquirt system seems to be pretty staright forward as far as installation, But writing all the programs it needs, is a Big challenge for me.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Bigtimmay

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on September 27, 2012, 04:08:47 PM
What I may do is piece together my EFI  Turbo since I have a fresh turbo 2.3 longblock already. I want a bigger turbo, larger injectors, header, bigger throttle body & modified intake anyhow so why bother starting with stock parts.  Big VAM's & wiring harnesses are on Ebay as are the ECU's so why not buy it a piece at a time. I have all the time in the world to dig up the parts since I wont even get to this car for at least 2 years anyhow.......
Miswell Just upgrade to a megasquirt system and not mess with the stock efi stuff If your pieceing it together anyhow.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

johnbigman2011

5.0 I'm doing the same thing. Piece here and there.

I've already stared finding up grade parts for my wagon.

But the secrete one is coming soon!!!!!
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Pinto5.0

The poorly running draw-through on Callisto really kicked a$$ once it spooled up. I also have an '87 T-Type & an '87 GN & I love it when the boost kicks in.

Now that I have the glass fenders, bumper & hood I'm loathe to add weight back in if I can help it. I'm shooting for 2100 pounds wet.

What I may do is piece together my EFI  Turbo since I have a fresh turbo 2.3 longblock already. I want a bigger turbo, larger injectors, header, bigger throttle body & modified intake anyhow so why bother starting with stock parts.  Big VAM's & wiring harnesses are on Ebay as are the ECU's so why not buy it a piece at a time. I have all the time in the world to dig up the parts since I wont even get to this car for at least 2 years anyhow.......
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

johnbigman2011

5.0 I was impressed with mine and it's just bone stock.  Also from what I read, they are pretty much bullet proof up to about 7 grand RPM's
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Pinto5.0

This should come in really handy down the road. I still plan to tub my '73 but I'm probably going with a 2.3 turbo/T-5 instead of the 302/T-5 I wanted to run.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

D.R.Ball

After many months(years) of buying parts the swap for my 1976 Pinto wagon has started. I 'm finally wrapping up the parts list and ready to go. The doner car's where a 1985 Merkur XR4Ti and a 1977 Ford Pinto wagon (8 " rear end) and alot of Rockauto , EBay,local wrecking yards, Autozone etc...

johnbigman2011

1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

johnbigman2011

I just purchased my first Turbo wagon 79 model, 85 TB with the good ole 5 speed behind it.

The first time that I put it in gear and turned up that beautiful mountain side in Arizona and felt the little 10# boost come alive... I new I was hooked. :o

No more V8's for me. ???

Super Turbo is on its way to Texas real soon.  :-X

This will give me a good driver and one that will pull your pants leg off if you get to close to the wheel well ; :o
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

racer99

And if you think the MKT runs good,wait until the ST Focus is released.
The SHO will go 12s with a tune ,stickies and nothing else.

racer99

I have had 5 Turbobirds, currently have a 306T Zephyr,and the 79 Turbo Pinto wagon.
There are 2 complete 2.3Ts in the corner of the shop for "projects".
I am eat up with turbo stuff(turbos,BOVs,WGs,hot and cold side piping.

I will say the turbo cars are more fun than the N2O cars( 88 306 Fox Hatch and a 82 Granada Wagon).


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