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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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DreamBean

steak! Just run mine across the flames to knock the chill off. 6pm? No problem! See ya there.
Go Ford, Go Fast Or Go Home!

crazyhorse

One would assume Scott likes steak?. Would that make him our webmaster & resident carnivore? LOL

Ok I'm gonna be there friday too.... So i'll get to eat steak with y'all

Remember ... Western Sizzlin... 6PM ... MMMMMMM STEAK!!
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Scott Hamilton

Steak........

yea.......


I'm in.....
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crazyhorse

Ok, a meeting on Friday it is. How about a dinner meet? Say 6ish at Western Sizzlin' Steakhouse. If you early arrivers would like to talk it out amongst yourselves, please feel free. I can make suggestions, but I can't really make arrangements. The NASCAR Cafe is going to be an interesting situation... they don't do "group reservations" We show up & wait 'till they put enough tables together! However the Speedpark has us scheduled & I have a good suprise when we arrive!
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Pintony

Yes A place to meet on Friday Would be good...
From Pintony

crazyhorse

OK, all the details are set in mud. That means changes are possible. but not as easy. All the rates are as mentioned before.  Going to the Speedpark/Cafe on Sat. & Ripley's Aquarium/A&W Drive In on Sun. So, if you attend ALL the events with a family of 4 (like me) you will spend $106.90 on admission tickets. For 2 adults expect to spend $77.80. This DOESN"T include food.

Friday... who wants me to set up a time/place to meet Friday evening? I can't be there then, as I have to work. I WILL however make arrangements if there's a call for them.

Will Shoney's work for the Brunch meetings? I'm choosing places that won't put a financial burden on ... ME! Even being a local I'm a Super Low Budget attendee!!

I'm looking forward to meeting you guys.

Welcome to the 1st annual Pinto Roundup!
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r4pinto

Yeah... I tried to figure how to make it, but no luck.. If I woulda had enough cash for the car this past check then I would have had my new Pinto out there, but nope... not enough cash this past check... Oh well.. always next year.
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Pintony

Hey R4,
sorry to hear your not going to make it.
I kinda figured that cuz you said your pony had died.
From Pintony

r4pinto

Members that are going to P.F.

Crazyhorse
Pintoman

WVBobcat77
Priest
Poison Pinto
dreambean
Scott Hamilton
78pinto???
Original74??? 
That's who I have down for attendance for the P.F. Meet

Had to remove my name, as My Pinto's death costed me $400 on another Pinto.. It's a shame, as I really wanted to go, but now can't afford to, as I'm getting my 77 sedan next week & wwont get paid again until a week after the meet... Oh well... there's always next year. :-[
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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pintony

Hy Pintoman,
You gotta have your car to get the rubber nubbies. ;D
GREAT!!!! Bring your friends!!!!!!!!! Lets set our hopes on 20 Pinto owners!!!!!! ::)
If you want to be added to the list?
Cut and paste the list into your post.
If you cant make it cut and Paste and take your name off.
I'm still waiting for Photos of the Pintos that will be attending the P.F. Meet.
Email to
pintony_2000@yahoo.com
From Pintony

pintoman

Hey Pintony,i'm coming down with a couple of freinds.Both have Pinto's but only one of there Pinto's will be there.No i don't have a picture of it.I should ,I built it oh well.Pintoman.
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Pintony

Hey Crazy Horse time for me to stop messing with the Sprint Pinto and Get dow to
Whare is everyonne meeting on Friday May 13???
Where are most of the members staying????
Hotel?????
I know Pintoman has his stuff together.
He has his Room booked. Where???
He has his photo to me!!!!
Good job Pintoman.......
Members that are going to P.F.

Crazyhorse
Pintoman
R4Pinto
WVBobcat77
Priest
Poison Pinto
dreambean
Scott Hamilton
78pinto???
Original74??? 
That's who I have down for attendance for the P.F. Meet.
Anybody else?????
Don't forget about the N.O.S, Ford Pinto Parts I will be giving away as Prizes!!!!!
From Pintony

 

quickrick

Sounds like a good time. Unfortunately for me timing is bad. If it's not June, July or August i cant get away. Everyone enjoy!
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Scott Hamilton

I'm good with the schedule,

WEBmaster award is completely UN-necessary,.. Your kudos need to go in the Admins direction, they work hard behind the scenes day & night to keep this place going. Your WEBmaster, I'm afraid, is just the fix-it guy & because of life commitments, I'm WAAY behind on SEVERAL projects with this site.

I think I have convinced my Wife to join us, which means I might be able to bring 2 Pintos to the meet. My Wife gets to drive the pristine wagon while I will drive the 'ok' green runabout..

Well, that what's in the cards now....  We'll see closer.
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crazyhorse

Original 74, Trailer Queens ARE welcome. Hey as sharp & original as your '74 is it NEEDS preservation. Us crazies that are actually DRIVING our antiques will run out of parts to repair them, that's when we'll need clean, lo mi Pintos like yours to get our fix LOL

I'm kidding of course, bring it on it's a shoo-in for most original.

I'll take the lack of response to my itinerary to mean that it's ok for everyone. I'll get locked in for group rates at the Speedpark & NASCAR Cafe ASAP. I'll also get rates for Ripley's Aquarium. Though the aquarium requires 20 people for group rates. Regular rates at $17.95 adult/ $9.95 child aren't too pricey.
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Original74

Hey Guys,

I am purchasing an enclosed trailer to use as a garage and trailer for towing my baby. I am also purchasing a tow vehicle but won't have them in time for this years meet. I will be flying to VA and driving home to OK the weekend you are in TN. As time gets closer, I think I can plan my trip so I can drop down from I-40 to hook up with you guys. I see the itinerary and will monitor it closer to mid-May. You guys won't laugh at me for trailering my Pinto will you? I just don't trust a trip of that length and certainly don't want the miles on it. Now when I get my project done, that's a different story. I will probably be too old to drive by then! I am going to be able to be at Knotts Berry Farm next month and will meet some of you there. I hope to make the second annual Pinto Meet!

Original74
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crazyhorse

OK it's time to set an itinerary. Do you guys want a schedule , or would you rather "play it by ear"? Here's a few random thoughts for Saturday.

11am"ish" Brunch at a "family restruant" (IE: Shoney's)
1pm"ish" caravan over to the NASCAR Speedpark with lunch or snacks there.
6pm"ish" caravan over to the NASCAR Cafe for dinner & Awards(drinks are optional but not reccommended cuz you've gotta drive back to the hotel, or be "shuttled" in the BACK of a Pinto!)
8pm"ish" go do whatever floats yer boat.

Here's Sunday:
11am"ish" farewell brunch at the same restruant as Sat.
1pm"ish" Caravan to Ripley's Aquarium.
5pm"ish" caravan back to Pigeon Forge by way of the smoky mountain park & Gatlinburg. Imagine 8-10 Pintos cruising a Ski resort town
6pm"ish" dinner at A&W drive in Again 8-10 Pintos parked at a drive in right on the main drag!
7pm"ish" go do whatever trips yer trigger

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Categories :
Long Haul
Short Haul
Most Factory Original
Best Custom
Best In Show
Diamond In The Rough
If Scott wants... Webmaster's Award
Awards will be by popular vote... EXCEPT the Webmaster's Award.

PLEASE let me know if this sounds good, or if you might want a more free schedule, or if you think there need to be more/different awards

BTW I AM coming sat & sun, I just won't be staying in Pigeon Forge. I live about 60mi away, so I'll be driving over each day. (unless gas goes high enough to offset the cost of driving!)
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78pinto

my wife works at Starwood (Sheraton, W, Four points ect.) If we can get the Pinto done, and can talk the inlaws into letting us borrow their truck (to tow it) we just might come.
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crazyhorse

If we're not going to try for group rates, I think that the Motel 6 would be a good affordable choice. It's fairly centrally located, and last I stayed there VERY reasonable. There's even a pool. The web address is http://www.motel6.com/reservations/motel_detail.asp?MotelId=4021 You can make reservations from the link above or call (865) 908-1244. I MAY not be able to make the overnight stay, or the saturday events. I've committed myself to another thing from 9-5 on sat. I'd cancel that, but I've got 3mo invested in it. (somebody shoot me!) I build Model cars for competition & the ONLY local show is the 13th. Here's where 3mo goes into models. http://photobucket.com/albums/v205/crazyhorse001/ I'll still make the arrangements, But I can't attend on sat. I'll be there on Sunday tho. I'm looking forward to meeting you guys for however short a time as I can.
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DreamBean

I will be driving my car of many colors so don't laugh. My freind won't let me use his paint booth till I get a stand alone fuel management system.
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pintoman

  Just made reservations for Pigeon Forge.I should be there the evening of the 12th.the room i'm getting is 41$ for the 12th,100$ a day  for the next two day's and 41$ for the 15th.I can't wait to get there.Plus i just got the Rallye fired back up after getting the gas tank repaired.
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Scott Hamilton

Hey Tony,

Glad you came over, good to have you on this site,

Your right, I should be more open as to the number showing up, I just did not want anyone to take a risk & possiblie loose some fundage...

Glad to hear you are going to be there, It will be good to see you again. Are you going to bring any parts to start the 'Swap Meet' portion of the meet?  Just a thought...

How about bringing your son? ... My wife & kids may not be coming.. She has not decided yet.

Ohhh,,, Have you got your purple pinto running so you can show it off or are you going to bring your green premo? I'm bringing the Red Wagon since the Yellow Runabout is not yet finished...

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pintoman

 I agree with Scott.A dicounted room would be great,but most hotel's /motel's give discounts for AAA/arp and other agencys.So let us know where to meet so we can make arrangements for our rooms.
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Scott Hamilton

I don't think you should put you neck out & gamble on 10 individuals showing up...

This is the first meet ever & we might need to take it slow

I don't have a problem paying for my room at a regular rate,

My 2 cents,
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crazyhorse

OK we need a minimum of 10 rooms to get a group rate. *#@& hotel managers won't give me group rates w/out a commitment. I can't commit to 10 rooms right now, because I don't know how many people are coming. I'll start a new thread to get CONFIRMED attendees.
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DreamBean

I will be there when you decide when and where to meet up there. That is not far from me. AND that will give me a little more time to tiker with my ride. I think that pigeon forge is a great place to meet and greet. There is more stuff to do up there than you could ever do in one weekend. we will be more busy than a one legged man in a butt kickin contest.
Go Ford, Go Fast Or Go Home!

r4pinto

One way or another I'll be there. My motor's almost done being put back together, so I'll be in good shape.. If not, well, I'll drive my other car down. As pintoman said, hotel info needed. :)
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pintoman

I will be there.Like Scott just need the hotel/motel info.Can't wait to get there.
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Scott Hamilton

I'm in,

Let me know what you find out & I'll make my reservations.
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The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

crazyhorse

Ok the date's pretty much set at may 13-15 We're probably gonna do the NASCAR SpeedPark. As for hotels, I'll get on that this week. would anyone be interested in taking a drive down US HWY 129 AKA "The Dragon" (imagine 130 turns in 11mi) The most fun you can have in a car... with your clothes on  8) Pigeon forge Tn is about 20 mi off I-40 in east Tennessee. Check the link for info on local color http://www.mypigeonforge.com/ within 30 mi there's the Great Smoky Mountains National Park,  Cades Cove Historic Route, and Dollywood Theme Park. There are WAY too many attractions to list & PLENTY of shopping for our "Better Halves"

Looks like the Sevierville Days Inn is cheapest at $49/night I'll give 'em a ring for group rates tomorrow
How to tell when a redneck's time is up: He combines these two sentences... Hey man, hold my beer. Hey y'all watch this!
'74 Runabout, stock 2300,auto  RIP Darlin.
'95 Olds Gutless "POS"
'97 Subaru Legacy wagon "Kat"


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