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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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vonkysmeed

Quote from: entropy on April 07, 2011, 01:13:40 AM
AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGH! DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!  I've been caught up in other projects and *completely* forgot that this show was in April.  I missed registration and everything else.  Well, maybe I can bring my little V8 to the after show gathering if there is one.

is registration closed?  If so, show up at Carrows anyway and talk to me before the show.
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82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
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TOMKLU

Blupinto, I'm in Rancho Bernardo.

entropy

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGH! DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!  I've been caught up in other projects and *completely* forgot that this show was in April.  I missed registration and everything else.  Well, maybe I can bring my little V8 to the after show gathering if there is one.
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-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
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vonkysmeed

Quote from: blupinto on April 06, 2011, 09:44:23 PM
Tomklu, where in San Diego are you from? I grew up in the Clairemont/Kearny Mesa area. I'm now in Oceanside.

Sounds like he needs to caravan with you.  If issues arise, I could help with my trailer after the show.  It would take about 10 minutes to hook it up and get it moving.  Not much of an issue since I already use it for my pinto when it is in storage. 
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

blupinto

Quote from: vonkysmeed on April 06, 2011, 12:01:05 AM
Thought breakfast was at 7 with the drive on at 8:30. 
Quote from: TOMKLU on April 05, 2011, 11:25:56 PM
Where is Carrows and are you leaving at 8:00? If I don't get there for breakfast I'll see everybody at the show.
Can we say the pinto is there in spirit?
I don't feel comfortable driving it not knowing what the water temp or oil pressure is. I don't trust the idiot lights. I want to get some local miles on it before any big trips. I'm coming from San Diego.

Tomklu, where in San Diego are you from? I grew up in the Clairemont/Kearny Mesa area. I'm now in Oceanside.
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pangra74

Hey everyone,

Sorry I have to misss the Knotts show this year. I have to concentrate on the Stampede to Carlisle and my son has a band concert in Reno this weekend anyway. Supposed to be snow in the Sierra's....fun. Got the Pintostampedel ive webcam dialed in so everyone can make sure I don't get broken down on the way to Denver!!

Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

pintogirl

Quote from: Fred Morgan on April 05, 2011, 09:55:56 PM
Always thought if I could only get that lot across the street from you.  Fred   :)


That would have been great if you could have! It would be so much easier to get parts off of cars that are whole, then to have to strip them down and mark the parts what year, and then find a place to put them all. That is my biggest down fall. I don't know what came off what on some of my stuff. Dummy me didn't mark things in the beginning. I do now though! LOL


That place has been rented out though. So even if we did have the money, it is to late! LOL
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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pintogirl

Quote from: turbopinto72 on April 05, 2011, 09:57:27 PM
Didn't mean to " offend " anyone here  ;D , Yes, the term " Guys " in this case is not gender specific. I believe that maybe the word " group " should have been used.......... ... :o


I wasn't offended at all! Just thought it would be funny! :D


As far as thinning the heard, we are going to get rid the red 77? wagon that we got on the way back from Knotts last year. Then we plan on getting rid of, hold your breath, I know this is going to be a hard one, ready, Shaggy! We have decided that having 2 cruisen wagons already is enough. That and I wasn't to thrilled with Shaggy missing his vin sticker on the door frame. One of the reasons I never pushed to get him registered.  Hubby garantees me we will get one of the other ( I prefer the orange) cruisen wagons running good enough for it to pass smog. So I am am going to let Shaggy go. I'm still not sure if I will rename another car Shaggy or not. After all, I have the plates for the name already! LOL Nellie Belle is holding those for me for now.  LOL With the economy, I may let the plates go though. Just depends on how our finances do in the future. I may let alot of my plates go. I have 7 vehicles with personalized plates. That would save at least 100 bucks or so on registration each year, all together give or take!


Then the other car that I don't know for sure what we are doing with is the green wagon we got from the dessert.  We already scrapped the white sedan we got from Modesto. That is why we are down to 13.


Oops, got carried away! LOL Got a bit off topic. See you all at Knotts, ok, back on topic! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

vonkysmeed

sears is 5 minutes away at best
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Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
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Srt

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

turbopinto72

Quote from: vonkysmeed on April 06, 2011, 12:01:05 AM
Thought breakfast was at 7 with the drive on at 8:30.


MMM, yeah its at 7:00.........
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

vonkysmeed


Quote from: turbopinto72 on April 05, 2011, 09:37:22 PM
Kind of hard to drive a bronco and a Pinto at the same time ... but we would love to have you over to see our cars..
If you would like, please join us a Carrows, Sunday am at 8:00 ( in the back ). Just look for a guys wearing PCCA shirts.

Brad

Thought breakfast was at 7 with the drive on at 8:30. 
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

TOMKLU

Where is Carrows and are you leaving at 8:00? If I don't get there for breakfast I'll see everybody at the show.
Can we say the pinto is there in spirit?
I don't feel comfortable driving it not knowing what the water temp or oil pressure is. I don't trust the idiot lights. I want to get some local miles on it before any big trips. I'm coming from San Diego.

blupinto

No offense here... I call everybody guys too... must be hanging around traffic cones too long, right Fred? lol  ::)

Kimmy... just WHAT do you mean by thinning the herd? who's getting culled/going bye-bye? :o
One can never have too many Pintos!

turbopinto72

Didn't mean to " offend " anyone here  ;D , Yes, the term " Guys " in this case is not gender specific. I believe that maybe the word " group " should have been used.......... ... :o
Brad F
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1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Fred Morgan

Always thought if I could only get that lot across the street from you.  Fred   :)
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pintogirl

Quote from: Fred Morgan on April 05, 2011, 09:49:41 PM
Kim, it's ok he means gals too. Emily your right I am a Pinto piggy piggy I will have 15 so I think world wide yep I have the most Pinto's.  Fred   ;D



Hey I make open up a dealership. Oh and I am still looking for more.


Yep, you got me beat now. I am down to 13, will be down to 12 here soon. Thinning them out! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Fred Morgan

Kim, it's ok he means gals too. Emily your right I am a Pinto piggy piggy I will have 15 so I think world wide yep I have the most Pinto's.  Fred   ;D



Hey I may open up a dealership. Oh and I am still looking for more.
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pintogirl

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

turbopinto72

Kind of hard to drive a bronco and a Pinto at the same time ... but we would love to have you over to see our cars..
If you would like, please join us a Carrows, Sunday am at 8:00 ( in the back ). Just look for a guys wearing PCCA shirts.

Brad
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Fred Morgan

Tom, if you can drive the Pinto there so Brad can count it as a show even if it's  in parking lot outside.  Fred   :)
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TOMKLU

Yesterday I bought a '73 Pinto squire wagon with 4 spd and the 2000 engine. I also joined the club yesterday.
It's too late to get the Pinto in the show, but I'll be there with my '68 Bronco. I want to stop by get some info on a 5 spd and 2300 installation.
See ya at the show.

vonkysmeed

Quote from: Fred Morgan on April 05, 2011, 10:09:38 AM
This is what it shows now for 92805 Anaheim CA.  Fred   :)

yup, Rain on Friday thru saturday (maybe) and sun on sunday.  See everyone there.
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Fred Morgan

This is what it shows now for 92805 Anaheim CA.  Fred   :)
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Fred Morgan

I will bring a lot of extra boxes. I am packed on parts going to and from, 3 Pinto's coming back kinda has turned into a major mind project not to mention all the labor but hey I finally got my 73 title today with plate and had the wheels smokin into town to get some 115 av gas.  Fred   :)
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pintogirl

Quote from: Fred Morgan on April 04, 2011, 09:39:38 PM
I have been watching Sacramento unfort. you probably be riding with it. Been watching Yucaipa CA I need to be there most of the day working on an 80 wagon maybe in rain on Friday. Anyway I will keep you posted on latest weather update.  Fred    :)


In that case, I sure hope we fixed the leak on the truck! LOL It used to leak on the fuse panel. We had the kid re seal the windshield, but it hasn't rained since. Another reason I am going to go ahead and wash the truck anyway. Need to make sure we stopped the leak, if not, will have to try again before Sat!!  Fuse panels and water makes truck do funny things!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Fred Morgan

I have been watching Sacramento unfort. you probably be riding with it. Been watching Yucaipa CA I need to be there most of the day working on an 80 wagon maybe in rain on Friday. Anyway I will keep you posted on latest weather update.  Fred    :)
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blupinto

According to weather.com Saturday there'll be scattered showers. Friday comes with all kindsof rain. o much for bathing Ruby that day... :cheesy_p:
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: Fred Morgan on April 04, 2011, 09:19:29 PM
Weather percip keeps going up and down for Friday but Sunday still looks clear. I look 4 times a day. Been watching for a month.  Fred   :)


Thanks Fred!




I washed the Pinto today, and the weather forecast shows rain for Thurs. and Friday here. Bob wants to hook the Pinto (on trailer) to the truck and have it all ready to go on Wed. Now I have to try to talk him out of loading the Pinto until Friday night! And with that I will have to hope that the rain has stopped by then. LOL Hate to get ol' bumpy wet after just getting her washed! LOL It's bad enough that I am going to wash the truck tomorrow or Wed. Just for it to rain on it the next two days! Guess I can try to talk Bob into letting them both stay in the garage till Sat! LOL  The whole set up will fit in the garage, just wont be able to do any work in there! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Fred Morgan

Weather percip keeps going up and down for Friday but Sunday still looks clear. I look 4 times a day. Been watching for a month.  Fred   :)   
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