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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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who's going to Knotts. a show of hands please

yes
13 (92.9%)
no
1 (7.1%)

Total Members Voted: 14

Voting closed: April 24, 2010, 09:08:07 PM

blupinto

Will they need bag-stuffers this year? Cross your fingers I can bring a Pinto at all... :-\
One can never have too many Pintos!

turbopinto72

Alberto, usually I cordanate the Carrows breakfast but if you want to do this thats great. We should talk about it though so we dont duplacate efforts.
Thanks
Brad
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Srt

I am looking for well posed photos from those of you who own a Pangra.  Send me a PM if you need any more info. Thanks
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Pintopower

Bipper, Barth will never enter the computer age.

As of last Saturday, the letters from the Ford Car Club Council will be mailed out. I will call Carrows to book the place (I think we pushed the poor Fairlane guys out!). I am open to sugestions on what to do Saturday. I am thinking about AutoBooks-AeroBooks in Burbank, CA in the morning. I know the owners VERY well and we can reserve the parking lot for a Pinto meet from 8am to 12. I know a few guys in the entertainment industry and it is very possible that we can get some TV time from this. I am just wondering if this is to much for you guys. I know everyone stresses for Sunday so I want to make sure that Saturday isn't to much.

www.autobooks-aerobooks.com

Let me know.

I have 5 cars going this year! It's a record for me! The first Fab Fords I went to had 5 Pintos total! After a lot of hard work this year should break a record!

2003:
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Bipper

Quote from: Scott Hamilton on January 13, 2010, 10:53:39 PM
Hey Barth-- is that you?


Yup that's him. Maybe Barth is finally going to come into the computer age.

Bob
71 Sedan, stock
72 Pangra
73 Runabout, 2L turbo propane

blupinto

I don't see one... the grin for anticipation (break into Carly Simon voice) An-tici-pation, an-tisip-aaation is making me wait...(boom-boom) (LOVE the drumming in this song!) Boo-bubububububoom  is ma-kin' me waiaiaiatin'.... or something like that. This is what happens when I'm up WAAAAY too early and have already had my beanery fix! lol.  :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

Srt

Pintosopher we would really like to see your car on display down here this year at Knotts.
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Srt

Quote from: Scott Hamilton on January 14, 2010, 04:44:55 PM
Oh man.. if it's what you guys have been working on... WHEEEE....  We need video! ....

How COOL is this!!!

is there a 'smiley' for "cross your fingers?"
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

blupinto

I'm dying to know the SURPRISE! lol. Are they calling for bag-stuffin' volunteers again this year? Count me in!
One can never have too many Pintos!

78pinto

I would love to attend this also, but i'm not sure my car will be ready by then. Lots of logistics going clear across the country! Talk it over with wifey, and talk to my chassis guy to see when he thinks car will be done.
** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

Scott Hamilton

Oh man.. if it's what you guys have been working on... WHEEEE....  We need video! ....

How COOL is this!!!
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

Pintosopher

Quote from: turbopinto72 on January 04, 2010, 12:49:53 PM
Ok Guys and Gals, This Year's Fab Fords show at Knotts Berry farm will be Sunday April 25th. Mark you calander and wax your cars.
More news later.

Lets see, that was mark your candles and wax your bars, Right? :drunk:
 
Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

turbopinto72

THere may be a special " suprise guest" at the show this year. ( hint, bring your Pangras because he will sign them)......... :hypno:  :hypno:  :surprised:
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Scott Hamilton

Hey Barth-- is that you?

Cool man..  Still have those cool key chains you made.. good stuff!!

Real good to see you posting...

Scott
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

pushthepinto

Quote from: turbopinto72 on January 04, 2010, 12:49:53 PM
Ok Guys and Gals, This Year's Fab Fords show at Knotts Berry farm will be Sunday April 25th. Mark you calander and wax your cars.
More news later.
71 Dijon Sedan
71 Red Runabout
72 Brown Sedan
72 Red Runabout
72 White Runabout
72 Blue Runabout
72 Yellow Squire wagon
77 Black Runabout
72 Red Pangra

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Choptop

Quote from: Badwaterbob on January 08, 2010, 06:14:47 PM
Hope to have the 73 Pinchero on the road . Love to show off the little truck. BWB

I think I love you.

you MUST bring this to the Concours d'LeMons. You'll be famous.  :amazed:

Badwaterbob

Hope to have the 73 Pinchero on the road . Love to show off the little truck. BWB
Badwaterbob

blupinto

No worries Kimmy! Natural Pinto seats are fine. I just want to REALLY nose through Ghost. My BlueStarPinto (my '72s name) had pop-out windows like Ghost.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

LOL, well I hope I have the money to have her seats redone then!! LOL I have to cusions on the seat right now!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

So true! Kimmy, definitely bring Ghost and may I sit in her driver's seat just for a minute or two? I want to reminisce when I had a '72...
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on January 06, 2010, 04:42:45 PM
I understand it was a freak heat wave. 102 in April is really freaky! If it's cool I might take Karma. What chariot(s) are you bringing if you guys can go? I hope you guys can come!

I'm not sure which one will get to go! I'm not sure if we would trailer one down there again or drive this time. I would like to take Shaggy if I had her done, but I'm not sure if she will be done by then. If not, I would probably bring the Ghost again, but I would trailer her for sure! Don't want to drive her that far! I don't care if people call her a trailer queen! Least she is a Queen! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

I understand it was a freak heat wave. 102 in April is really freaky! If it's cool I might take Karma. What chariot(s) are you bringing if you guys can go? I hope you guys can come!
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

I know it Becky! I sure hope I can talk hubby into going again!! I had a good time last time, but this time I'm leaving the dog at home! To hot for her! You watch it will be cold this time! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

I can't wait to go!!!  I'll probably be bringing Green Meanie, as Wildfire is still down and out. Kimmy, here's your chance to meet the inspiration for your wagon collection! lol.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

redmustangman3

Hi Brad: Thanks for the heads up. It's on my calendar.  I'll be bringing the 74 wagon this year if all goes well. Regards, Joe in Morgan Hill, CA
1971- 289 V8; B&M C4; 9" with 4:11 posi. Several suspension upgrades and body modifications.
1974- 2.3L wagon,4-spd,totally stock. Medium lime yellow, avacado interior, 99k miles.
1972- 1984 Mustang SVO turbo; 5-speed tremec; 9" rear w/positraction; fiberglass front & doors; upgraded suspension.

Fred Morgan

WAX I am a long ways from that.  Fred   ;D
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

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Post your well wishes,
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turbopinto72

Ok Guys and Gals, This Year's Fab Fords show at Knotts Berry farm will be Sunday April 25th. Mark you calander and wax your cars.
More news later.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto


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