Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

All Fords Show in PA 2006

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It has been suggested that next years 'Meet' be the All Fords show in PA in June of 06,

Yes, that would be a Grand Idea, & I'll be there
I like the idea but I can't attend
I would rather it be somewhere else, Please suggest below,

pintoman

I to like the idea of rotating the show across the country.But I'm not sure i can make a west coast show,but I'll try.
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fieldwagon

If I may I would vote for Tulsa in 2007 but could get to Branson, Its a good place. I really like the idea of a great gettogether in the midwest. I have been getting flashes of giving up on my wagon but this has got me thinking I might not,

turbopinto72

 I think some folks here have mentioned that they would like to meet in Las Vegas. It would be cool to do it during the SEMA show............ ;D
Brad F
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Original74

Sounds like we are in agreement here, for at least those who have replied. I really like the idea of rotating east, central and west as an annual meet. I also like the idea of us getting together as a group for the benefit of the group. I know we could spend days talking about our own projects and share a wealth of information.
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1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

77pintocw

Hi Folks:

How about this idea?

2006 - Carlisle, PA - East U.S.
2007 - Branson, MO - Middle U.S. 
2008 - California??? - West U.S.

The idea being that we rotate the meeting place for a region (east,middle,west) every third year so members
would have a higher probability of attending one of the gatherings.

77pintocw
1977, Pinto Cruising Wagon, White with Blue Graphics

sagesunrise

I agree with Boss2300. I won't be able to make 2006 but if we can plan for Branson in 2007, I'll start making my plans for it! I also would LOVE to see the registry take place. That is such a kick a** idea!!
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Boss2300

Carlisle 2006 & Branson 2007 gets my vote. Just don't make tha Branson meet the same date as Ford Carlisle in 2007 which is allways the 1st wknd in June
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Original74

I don't think the Branson idea ever came up to replace Carlisle in 2006. Someone once metioned St. Louis, Tulsa, somewhere in the midwest for 2007. Then Branson was suggested because of its diverse interests and attractions. I believe it is the consensus of the club for Carlisle in 2006, but we can do both for those hwo can't travel so far east. How about one of those votey thingies Scott? What's the gut feel out there for the big 2006 meet?

Dave
Original74

PS. Hey Scott, since I know you are watching this post, will you personal message me about a Pinto Registry? I have such a passion to get a registry going. Of the 1800 folks registered on this site, it sure would be nice to know how many and of what year and model were still out there.  Thanks man, hope you are high and dry!
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

sagesunrise

I think the Branson idea would work for me. Pretty much the same driving distance, just more East than South. A long trip, but would be a nice vacation and what better way to spend it than surrounded by my favorite cars in the world!
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Tercin

I think I may be selfish but the Branson idea works best for me. It is not to far from home and would be an easy sell to the wife.
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pintoman

The nice thing about most all Ford shows is any Ford in any condition would be welcomed to the show.Yes most of the cars that attend are nearly perfect.At the All Ford Nationals at Carlisle there were hundreds of Ford's that were so so.But that didn't matter,people were still looking at them.I go to shows and look at all the cars because you just might find an idea that you might want to use on your ride.If most every one wants to do the second annual get together next year somewhere else that would be fine by me.We still have time to get organized,i will still work on the Carlisle event until i hear otherwise.Whats important is as a group that we agree on where to meet.I like the Carlisle idea and the Branson idea.So every one let us know where to hold our next event.
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sagesunrise

The other good thing, Scott, about having all pintos in all condition at the show is that we can get ideas from one another on how we want to make our pintos. For example, I want to put on a different air cleaner cover and would like to see what others use. I think all of us can appreciate a pinto, whatever condition it is in. They ALL make me smile!  :D
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

pintoguy76

Branson is an excellent location. Im about 35 miles from there (in springfield). It is exactly as 77pintocw says. Branson itself is alot of fun. Add a bunch of pintos and you'll really have a good time.
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1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

sagesunrise

Well I am new to all of this but not new to the pinto love. I personally don't have a problem with participation of all pinto's restored or not. I think it would be neat to see them all together and to mingle all together. I would think the show might not just be for show to the public, but show to each other so we can see each other's pinto's in different stages of being fixed/driven/raced, etc. There is something unique about every pinto whether it is rusty or not. Just my opinion. ;)
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

CHEAPRACER

And how about a big centerfold picture in the middle of Hot Rod Magazine, it will be called "The Pinto Power Tour" ;D
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

Scott Hamilton

Branson,

I like that idea....

My boss has been trying to get me to go there for 3 years now, he goes every year for a week vacation & loves it.

As much as I think the All Fords Show would be FANTASTIC, are we ready yet? Do we have the participation yet & the quality & quantity of cars to make a GOOD showing at this venue?

Would it be wise to 'build' on our successes & approach the ford show when our group is ready?

Not that I'm 'dissing' our current plan, I'm just a little re-Focused...

Comments?
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Original74

I have no problem with Branson, go there every year. You are right about it catering to everyone's needs. Any of the places we've mentioned in the midwest like Tulsa, Branson, St. Louis are centrally located in the US. If anybody was going to commit to a midwest gathering, any of these places would work well. We have plenty of time to plan. Great idea!

Dave
Original74
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

77pintocw

Hi Folks:

Here’s my two cents on the subject.

I think Branson Missouri (www.branson-missouri.com) would be a great place for one of our annual meetings for the following reasons:

1)  Middle of the country so both east and west folks can get here.
2)  Branson is a great place to bring the family.
3)  Have the meeting in early May and the weather is beautiful.
4)  There are near-by lakes.
5)  There is Silver Dollar City for the kids.
6)  There are many outlet malls for the spouses.
7)  Over 350 restaurants.
8)  Over 40 theaters.
9)  Campgrounds and RV parks.
10) Close to Springfield, MO where Bass Pro Shop is located.

77pintocw
1977, Pinto Cruising Wagon, White with Blue Graphics

pintoguy76

I'm about 2-3 Hrs from Tulsa, in Springfield Missouri. Every year about may we have a LOT of hot rods in for some kind of show. Every hotel in the city is booked at that time. Never seen any pintos by i may drive thru there with mine next year, and ill definantly go to a pinto meet if its in tulsa or somewhere withinn 5-6 hours of me....maybe even further than that :) Ill try and keep up with what goes on and let you all know more :) By the way.....my pinto isnt exactly show quality, but its not a huge rust bucket either...theres not just a whole lot of rust on it... thatd be okay to bring to a pinto meet wouldnt it? it does still have its originaly shiney copper paint, interior is kinda rough, especially the carpet, its gone on the drivers side front and rear....because there are a bunch of little rust thru holes on the floor pan (can be fixed with a new floorpan). :)
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1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

pintoman

I can be in Tulsa in 07.Just need info and times.An all Ford meet or all Pinto meet will be fine.I'm still working on the Carlisle meet,should have some info this fall.Yes 1000 Pinto's in one place would rock.The locals wouldn't know what hit them with that many Pinto's.
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Tercin

I am in St Louis about 7 hours from Tulsa, You could count on me to bring my 73 as long as I have enough lead time. For those of  you lucky enough to live out west or up in cool Washington state just a word of warning Tulsa in the summer will be HOT and STICKY. Should be neat to get a bunch of Pintos and maybe even a few Bobcats together.
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73 Sports Accent
Rust free California Car

sagesunrise

I vote for June-August for a 2007 show because in Feb, it is just to slippery of a drive (unless you are in the snow pinto!!) and I will be driving, not hauling, my baby to Tulsa if we can set up a show there. We sure have a lot of members. I think it would be darn cool to put together an all pinto show. How about the rest of the gang? Looking forward to the trip from Washington State! Guys/Gals...can you imagine if we could get 500 or even 1000 pintos together in Tulsa? I think we can do it! Already coming up on 1800 members!
Tiffany Morrison
'71 Pinto Sedan 2.0, '51 Willys CJ3A, '75 Ford F250, '70 Ford Maverick, '68 GMC Value Van (aka the Hippie Van), and a 1947 Flxible Clipper RV conversion Bus, 1953 Ford Jubilee Tractor, 1969 VW Baja Bug

Original74

Grettings friends,

I and my son were driving across country and stopped and met the fellows in Pigeon Forge. It was awesome. I now have an enclosed trailer and just finished a trip to Dearborn to the Henry Ford Motor Muster car show. I was one of two feature cars looking for interest in 1974-1976 cars. This was the 20th year for this show in Greenfield Village, approx. 600 cars and I was the first Pinto they have ever seen! My baby is light on her feet now (has a nice home in a new trailer) and we will be hitting the road more now.

I have seen some interest about a midwest show and a few mentions of Tulsa. I live in Tulsa and will do all I can to help organize anything I can for you guys and gals. Are you interested in an all-Ford meet, as is Carlisle? We have one the first weekend in June. We also have a 1200 car show in February, probably too early in the year for most to travel. Are you interested in just FordPinto.com members getting together? Maybe we can explore the local Ford dealerships sponsoring something. Let me know what you think.

Dave
Original74
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

Boss2300

You have to pay extra for camping at Carlisle now if your in the show field I believe. Check there site.www.carsatcarlisle.com. They got you coming & going. But it is a great run show. Lots to see. I've been to ever Ford show & all the Spring & Fall shows since the mid 70's. This year with my Pinto Cruiser & all the other Ford shows with my old Boss 302. Old as in sold it. It would be a great place to have a Pinto gathering. (PARTY)
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   Are you still allowed to pitch a tent beside your car?
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Hmmm..........never mind.......  Oh what the hell! I hope so, i  pitch one every time i see my car! ;D ;D ;D :-[
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dirt track demon

Quote from: pintoman on June 12, 2005, 01:22:34 PM
you need to reserve a aroom or rooms as soon as  possible, because it gets real packed at the nationals.There is a new Best Western in town that might have more rooms available that weekend.

   Are you still allowed to pitch a tent beside your car?
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The PINTO!!

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Not offering a V-8 Pinto!!!!!!!

pintoguy76

If we do a midwest thing...like St. Louis or Tulsa.....you can count me in for sure. My old 76 pinto isnt perfect but its not too bad for all original...
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pinto4you2003

Some day, let's meet in Phoenix or Tucson, AZ.  I can almost guarantee that it won't rain on the weekends.      don

Boss2300

Count me in. I'll be at All- Ford Carlisle next year. Of course with the Cruiser.
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Pintony

How's this for a Pinto gathering????
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