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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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one2.34me


Quote from: dick1172762 on September 28, 2017, 01:11:35 PM
The only thing that I see any hope in is the vintage racing in both drag racing and sport cars. That's where my old red group 2 Pinto ended up on the east coast. It looks like its 99.9% as built in 1975. Sheet metal and paint are the original. Ford built great cars 45 years ago didn't they?


They sure did, I wish now that I would have paid more attention than I did.

dick1172762

The only thing that I see any hope in is the vintage racing in both drag racing and sport cars. That's where my old red group 2 Pinto ended up on the east coast. It looks like its 99.9% as built in 1975. Sheet metal and paint are the original. Ford built great cars 45 years ago didn't they?
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

one2.34me

Dick,
   Your post brings back a ton of great memories! I went to Arizona Automotive Institute in Glendale back in 1972 and went to both Manzanita and Beeline. Saw Dyno Don Nicholson and Grumpy Jenkins in the Pro Stock finals at Beeline. How much better could a NHRA final be? A Pinto and a Vega!!!
   Also went to see the sprint cars and stock cars at Manzanita. Our transmission instructor built a beautiful 1966-67 Mercury Cyclone GT stock car to run there, purple and yellow with, I think, a 429. Prettiest stock car I've ever seen! Was in the pits to watch his first race...straight to the back of the pack! Got his L/H tail light housing knocked off, a REAL stock car, and a definite massage on all that beautiful body work.
   Well, like Ascot, Riverside, Corona, LACR, Lions, 605, et al,  Adios Amigos. Oh to be 18 again.

dick1172762

Beeline and Manzinta are both gone. Land was just needed for more and more homes and such. I raced at Beeline and watched at Manzinta in the 60's. Both were great race tracks. A long time ago. Saylavie!
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

russosborne

Dick,

Did you ever race at Beeline Dragway in Phoenix back then? We used to go there every year after we moved here in 69 up til about 75 or so I think. Lots of fun back then as a kid and a spectator.

I don't think Nascar really cares about people in the stands. They probably make more money from corporate sponsors. I've quit watching all racing. Just not enjoyable any more. I wouldn't mind going to a local dirt track, not sure if Manzinita is still active here. Been  decades since I went there. That was another place my dad would take me every so often.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

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dick1172762

Jerry Brown (governor of the west coast) just said on the news that he was going to ban internal combustion engines as soon as possible. Easy way would be to just ban gasoline. Nascar only has one or two races out there so no big deal.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

1972 Wagon

Amen, Pintosopher! When I was still teaching, every morning the school had someone recite the pledge over the intercom. Due to some student's religious beliefs, we could not require students to recite the pledge. It eventually got to the point where we could not even make them stand. I would tell my students that the "respectful" thing to do was to stand quietly. Standing for the pledge was not "forbidden" by any religion. I compared it to the Olympic medal ceremonies where the audience stands while the gold medalist's national anthem is played and the flags are raised. Standing was a sign of respect for the winners and what they had achieved. Period. You were not supporting their politics or religious beliefs. I would frequently read articles about people who sacrificed their lives for this country and state that the least students could do to show respect for these heroes was to quietly stand while others recited the pledge. I also asked students to think of standing as a way to honor any of their family members who had served in the military.
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Pintosopher

Quote from: dick1172762 on September 25, 2017, 01:21:37 PM
Richard Petty said on the news today he would fire anybody on his team that didn't salute the flag before a race. Don't think that will happen because the teams are mostly made up of "good ole boys from down south" and would not very likely protest anything. One of the few plus's NASCAR still has.
Interesting that in F1, the top 3 finishers must stand and allow the national anthems for all of the 3 finishers before they can spray champagne and interviews are started. I'm nauseated with the politics of this past year with the "knee".  My thoughts are with the vets that lost their limbs fighting for the safety of others, not some candy a$$ overpaid sports star that doesn't get it!
Fire em all! I'll be fine and my money can be spent elsewhere... >:(
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dick1172762

Just saw on the Onion web site that Trump is looking at buying a NASCAR team. Looks like he thinks his running of the country is going so good he'll be a winner in NASCAR right away.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dick1172762

Richard Petty said on the news today he would fire anybody on his team that didn't salute the flag before a race. Don't think that will happen because the teams are mostly made up of "good ole boys from down south" and would not very likely protest anything. One of the few plus's NASCAR still has.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

Remember that Song: "Video killed the Radio Star!"
How's this...
" Broadband killed the racing with cars!" In my mind they've gone too far, We can't rewind we've gone too far.
It's all so easy to see, it makes me say No! It started with the Gran Turismo!"

Pintosopher, nothing new, but finding value in the Old & Bold :o
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D.R.Ball

NASCAR either needs to start racing Stock Cars of cut T.V. coverage! Yes, that will get more people into the stands.. Hell in the South Alabama and Pensacola Areas we still have local races that are packed ... Stock cars and drag races.. NASCAR and the NHRA are slowing killing themselves..

dga57

Quote from: dick1172762 on September 19, 2017, 05:05:56 PM
Just saw this on Yahoo news. Farmers Insurance sponsorship payed Kasy Kahne 14 million in 2014 and is paying him $666000 per race in 2017. When is the last time he won a cup race? Where can we sign up?

I've never raced in my life but, with payouts like that for the ones who lose, I'd be willing to try a couple of races!  lol

Dwayne ;D
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dick1172762

Just saw this on Yahoo news. Farmers Insurance sponsorship payed Kasy Kahne 14 million in 2014 and is paying him $666000 per race in 2017. When is the last time he won a cup race? Where can we sign up?
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dick1172762

In the new issue of Autoweek there is a VERY good story about Bobby Unser and his view of modern day racing. He says the same you have stated in your post. There is no creatively anything any more with cookie cutter car they have now. I ran AHRA pro stock in the late 60's early 70's with a tunnel port 427 side oiler Ford Fairlane. Cars all looked like something you could buy at the dealership. Very few rules with a lot of home spun work. BTW. AHRA was the first to run pro stock. Couple years before NHRA. Same thing with funny cars. NHRA put them in altered while AHRA had a funny car class. Good ole days at Green Valley Raceway in Ft Worth, Texas.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Wittsend

You know Dick I see two things that are effecting NASCAR (and the like).  Money and homogenized rules.  The rules take away individual innovation and money has everyone paying a high price for the identical parts. No longer is it an individual creatively porting a cylinder head. Today everyone gets the same CNC ported piece. A level playing field makes for "follow the leader" racing. The cars no longer represent one similar you can buy at the dealer on Monday.

  I use to be a big fan of NHRA Pro Stock back in the 70's. But as the cars basically developed into carbureted funny cars I lost interest.  I went to the Winternational Warmups (whatever it was called) at Pomona a few years back The stock classes looked more like "Racing Classic Cars." FWD has basically pushed most modern cars out of the class.  It's a changing world and I'm not sure how one deals with it. Staying the same can get old and changing make things "not what they use to be."  Maybe these things have just run their course???

dick1172762

Watched my first rallycross yesterday and it was ok I guess but there were more race cars than people in the grandstands. Some of the drivers were from around the world. They put on a great show, but for who. All over the world auto racing is playing to fewer and fewer fans in the stands. F1 still has great crowds but more than 10 years ago. No way! F1 races are for the most part in country's where racing like the US is only seen on the tube. The people turn out in great numbers because it may be a year before they get to see another race. NASCAR stands are more and more empty. Very seldom do the people doing the tv report show the stands. NASCAR said not to I guess. NASCAR cars for 2018 look like their viewed through the bottom of a milk bottle. Sad days.
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Srt


[I'm not saying it doesn't take money to run Bonneville but it does seem to be one of the last motorsports  that doesn't seem tainted by extracting money from fans.



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dick1172762

Not like the old days that's for sure. Every sponsor we had when I worked down south was done with a hand shake. Nobody tried to steal another teams sponsors or crew members. Cheat a little, yes but never stab someone in the back.
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one2.34me


I still think he owes for wrecking the Pennzoil Ford, but Matt Kenseth would be an improvement in Danica's car.

Also, Aric Amirola is leaving Petty with Smithfield Foods. I wonder who's going to sit in the King's 43?

https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2017/09/12/richard-petty-statement-on-smithfield-foods-decision-to-join-stewart-haas-racing/

dick1172762

Just saw on the msm news that Danica is call it quits in NASCAR. No backing to race on. Now maybe Stewart can put someone in the car that can win. She only won one race as a pro driver and that was indy cars in Japan. The high lite of her Nascar racing was the one pole start.
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dick1172762

Quote from: Wittsend on September 11, 2017, 12:41:07 PM
Sadly sports of all types use to be for ENTHUSIASTS.  But to make more money under the guise of "growing the sport" they go for the lowest common denominator.  When the "fad" fades the jacked up, watered down sport loses those who are off to the next great fad and the enthusiasts have left because the sport wasn't what it once was.  In the end no one comes out the winner.

I'm not saying it doesn't take money to run Bonneville but it does seem to be one of the last motorsports  that doesn't seem tainted by extracting money from fans.
Oh so true! Bonneville and hill climbs are the only two left. SCCA like NHRA and NASCAR have priced them above the average fan. And you can watch the last two on the tube. Sad time.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Wittsend

Sadly sports of all types use to be for ENTHUSIASTS.  But to make more money under the guise of "growing the sport" they go for the lowest common denominator.  When the "fad" fades the jacked up, watered down sport loses those who are off to the next great fad and the enthusiasts have left because the sport wasn't what it once was.  In the end no one comes out the winner.

I'm not saying it doesn't take money to run Bonneville but it does seem to be one of the last motorsports  that doesn't seem tainted by extracting money from fans.

dick1172762

NASCAR is so worried about the smaller crowds in the stands that they have come up with a new idea. Put an ambulance on the track with the race cars. Got to see that in the Last NASCAR race of the regular season. It was wild!!! NASCAR did not tell the drivers what was going to happen during the race. Wow!! It was the best part of the race.
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dick1172762

Was really fun to watch back in the 60's and 70's as the racers were made out of real cars. When I work on the race cars in the 60's, we would buy wrecks or use race cars and go to work. Olds and big Ford's were the hot set up in Nascar early days. Much fun for little cost. The V8 super cars from down under look much like the old days.
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one2.34me

I've been a stock car fan since I can remember. My dad took us to Ascot, 605 Speedway and Riverside, when we were little. I think the BTCC has a winning formula. The race cars, (from many countries), are all made from actual production line white bodies. They qualify on Saturday and race three races on Sunday that each count as separate official points race. Stock car racing is a tidy Hollywood production anymore. I wish they would start with a stock car!

r4pinto

Quote from: dick1172762 on July 30, 2017, 10:22:37 AM
This new format of racing, stoping, racing, stoping, racing looks like something SCCA would come up with. NASCAR needs leadership!!!!

Unfortunately it appears the sponsors are driving what happens. Unless I am mistaken (which I can be) the new sponsor wanted them to do stages. Heard that to be the case, don't know how true it is. I don't like them because they are manufacturered and set caution periods. Takes some types strategy out of the equation.
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Pintosopher

Quote from: dick1172762 on July 30, 2017, 10:22:37 AM
This new format of racing, stoping, racing, stoping, racing looks like something SCCA would come up with. NASCAR needs leadership!!!!
The real problem is that in order to keep the fans happy, the affordability to commit to more than just a single day of race viewing has to be  dealt with. Stage racing is a band aid, it helps with the attention span, but just goes halfway to dealing on the Issue of keeping the Interest going on a 500 miler. Out here We used to get 100k fans for the entire weekend at Sonoma. Now the Fans  aren't coming in droves, and even with a dedicated Train from Sacto to the Entrance to the facility, Shuttled into the track. The hillsides aren't full like they used to be. And it's a much shorter road race! I gave up when it took me 1-1/2 hours to get out of the track and drive 30 miles to Napa .  Now the Track is really upgraded for people and it's not filling up with fans like the 90's.  Sounds like  it might wind up becoming Vineyards if the Access and affordability aren't dealt with.
SCCA has fixed their amateur needs out here with Thunderhill Park in Willows and the place is mostly operating in the Black annually. I marvel at the Fan involvement in Europe in all Kinds of racing. Fix the Blue collar lifestyle incomes or lower the Ticket prices, It will return to balance the books.
My Direct TV lifestyle gives my options, but I still prefer to  smell , hear, and even taste the Motorsports in my interests 8)
Pintosopher.. Aged but not gone sour, Heat cycled but usable
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dick1172762

This new format of racing, stoping, racing, stoping, racing looks like something SCCA would come up with. NASCAR needs leadership!!!!
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

Success priced the Fans right out of the Speedways, The rest was on France's Bad! Broadband is nailing the Coffin shut too..
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...


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FordPinto.com supports the development of parts resources or parts re-manufacturing as opportunities arise. We promote the efforts of individuals and companies that endeavor to re-manufacture, sell, or otherwise distribute additional resources for the Ford Pinto or Mercury Bobcat.

As always, we at FordPinto.com encourage comments and suggestions on how we may be able to improve your experience with us. We take what our members have to say very seriously. Don't hesitate to submit your ideas and feedback.

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