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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Pinto Magazine

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Would you be willing to subscribe to a magazine dedicated to Pinto/Bobcat history/restoration/preservation if such a magazine were published?

Yes, definitely would
Probably would
Would depend upon cost
Probably would not
No, definitely would not

pbean09

We need a magizine. What is an Offical FORD PINTO CLUB SITE without an OFICAL CLUB MAG>

popbumper

Hey FlyerPinto:

  If you want to provide a phone number via private message, do so, I would be happy to phone you.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

FlyerPinto

I'm getting my goodies together as fast as I can; I've just been a little busy lately. Let's all talk one way or another this week and see what we can do to get started.
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

popbumper

FlyerPinto (and everyone else who cares):

  I have actually started penning my first article for the Pinto Magazine. It's going to regard reproducing plastic parts from urethane (specifically, for my purpose and others interested, the dealer-installed A/C dash bezel - mine is badly warped and cracked).

I really want to get this effort going (Pinto Magazine), otherwise I would ask the admins if they think a "how-to" section would be appropriate (that is, an area to deposit instructional articles on various topics). If you look at the "www.maverick.to" web site, they have a depository for technical articles, which I think we could all benefit from.

That said, I'M IN. Anyone? can we start this effort? I am no publisher, but I am a writer....

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dga57

And don't forget the lowly 1980-1982 Thunderbirds.  A friend of mine owns two and they are IMPOSSIBLE to find parts for!!!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

douglasskemp

An interesting thought, but how about getting with some of the other 'misfits' of the FOMOCO world?  Mustang IIs, Mavericks/Comets, Granadas/Monarchs, etc?  Maybe even Edsels??  There is always strength in numbers, the more, the stronger...
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

apintonut

yah im working on a parts list from the supplier i know.   but may need to devote a hole day to it shortly
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

fomogo

Any idea on what the ads would cost?
The normal classifieds and the company/support ads...


Jim
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popbumper

FlyerPinto:

  Been a week now - how was your trip? Hope it all went well. I'd like to get the ball rolling again, please contact me sometime, thanks!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

FlyerPinto

Sounds like a great idea to me. I'm off to the Ohio Mini-Meet here in an hour or so. As such I won't be checking much online, but I'll be getting back to folks soon.  The Purple Pinto is about to ride again!
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1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

hellfirejim

I had a thought for a section maybe called Pinto's on the Run.  this would be picturs of Pinto's taken by subscribers.  Doesn't need to be a lot of detail just a good clean picture and where it was taken.

jim 
It's a good day to be alive!
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apintonut

74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

popbumper

Man, no criticism here - I love the convenience of a digital camera but I REALLY miss my 35MM (it has a lot of light leakage on the shutter). Back in the day, I used it a LOT...good luck!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

FlyerPinto

All good ideas, keep thinking it through. I'm working on my end, and hope to be contacting Ford shortly for some other information. Not only will this be good for our club, I think it will be fun as well. I'm headed to the Ohio Get Together this weekend and will be taking my 35mm with me to get photos. Don't have a digital...I'm sensing a pattern here...
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

popbumper

The information that can be shared is almost endless. What's great about a Pinto Magazine is you don't have to wait for the "big boys" (major car mags) to even consider your car. If you have something, you'll probably get in!! Here's but a few possibilities:

Features of cars (and this could be rotated):
> Original
> Restored original
> Restored modified
> Race cars
> Derby cars
> Custom

@Random photos of cars anywhere (fields, junkyards, city streets)

@Technical articles (how-to's) on just about anything - like - how many options were there for A/C setups, what equipment was used, how was it adapted into the car interior (I say this because I have found THREE in my short involvement)

@A "Historical Corner" where facts about the cars can be shared (VINS, colors, options, production numbers, etc.)

@Vintage photos (where people can share photos of when they or their families had these cars back in the day)

@Unique tidbits (example - movies with Pintos, oddities found in cars, etc.)

@Special articles (like, for example, someone actually makes an effort to contact Caroll (sp) Shelby/his agent and gets an interview to talk about his Pinto)...or....finding other people in the industry who had a unique role and would like to share their experience and memories (engineers, auto dealers, etc.)

@Classified ads (for a fee, helps pay for publication)

@Advertisements (for a fee, helps pay for publication)

@Calendar with Pinto shows

@Listings of past publications with Pinto related articles

...that's just a few. I am sure I have missed many.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Tercin

I have some experience with writing articles for the Gateway Hotwheelers club newsletter. I am by no means a professional, I would be glad to contribute to a Pinto specific magazine. Muscle Mustangs and Fords recently combined with Modified Mustangs to make one magazine. This took away the vintage feel of the former magazine and diluted the content. You may be in a good position to capture some of that audience turned off by all of the late model content that is now in the new magazine.

Tercin
The only Pinto I have
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Rust free California Car

FlyerPinto

hellfirejim,

See, all these great minds are thinking alike...and we all own the same cars...it is spooky! I agree with you, all Pintos are fair game for this, and any expertise anyone can bring to the table is more than welcome. Projects would be wonderful, especially if you can explain so someone else, who may have little if any experience, can understand the process. Photos are a bonus, of course, but aren't entirely necessary, depending on what you're talking about. Anyone with writing experience is a welcome addition to the fold as well. As more info comes about I will be posting it, so keep an eye out. I'll probably be e-mailing a lot of folks in the next week or two to see what we can put together, and I'll add your name to the list. Thanks!
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

hellfirejim

This is a little spooky because I too was thinking that there needs to be a Pinto magazine.  As for cost, we have to understand that this is a small niche market so expect to pay a little more. 

Let me know if I can help in any way, I have a lot of pictures of my project and maybe it might help.  Also I am a writer by profession [ really : )]. My car is projects "Project Shurtagul". 

One final thought is that this mag needs to inclusive of all Pintos regardless of what you have done or are doing to them not just restoration.

best of luck and I will be a subscriber cause my Pinto is not going anwhere but with me.

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


FlyerPinto

Chris,

I'll be in touch, hopefully yet this week. Lets see what we can do.

Pintonut,

Great idea about the catalog and Yahoo pinto, hadn't thought of that. Keep plugging and we can get it done.
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

apintonut

im currently putting a parts catalog together i would love to pass it on to u for this run. this is in a long list of projects and had a big set back with the loss of my old computer but i do remember most of it and can start it back up. there is a thread on it.

this is WAY cool! but in order to speed it up u may post this on yahoo pinto in order to get the 200+
i would be glad to do so if requested

ps dose any one have a nos parts list to build a pinto this would speed up my work i may need to put this in another thread but if i could get a list of every part on a pinto i could tell u where to get it then follow with the after market stuff
i think that a pinto magazine would be a grate to publish it in because as the year go by it can be updated
there is also the stuff that some of or member sell they could sell through the mag and have much better sales and better return on there hard work   
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

popbumper

FlyerPinto:

  I am sending you an email through the system, it will have my phone contact and email info as well. Let's get together on this, thanks for considering it.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

turbopinto72

Thanks, I will write some copy and send it to you.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

FlyerPinto

There is a place for all Pintos and modifications. When the time comes, if you will put some stuff together on different topics such as you mentioned, I will gladly include them. My wit and wisdom only go so far, after that, I need help!
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

turbopinto72

Growing up with Dan Esslinger I can add heavily to the early Pinto engine modifications, Pinto dune buggys, Turbo Pintos etc. It would be great to have some chapters on this type of stuff.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

FlyerPinto

pbean09

Regarding the run and the cost, I don't have firm numbers to work with other than to say I need a run of 200 copies, which, in terms of printing cost alone, will be just over $5 per copy. That does not include any layout work, fees or postage, or any other surprise costs I am unaware of at this point in time. My hope was to do semi-monthly for a total of 6 issues per year as a starting point. If there are outside contributors, such as Chris from the prior post, who can add content, as in text, photos etc, then it may be possible to do more issues. If I'm flying solo for all content, then it will be six issues to start for the first year. I currently subscribe to Auto Restorer, a semi-monthly magazine that charges $7.50 per copy for 32 pages. I would like to be below that cost. It will depend on what, if any advertising is sold, and the number of issues printed. Big price breaks come in at 1000 copies and up. Right now I'm not even thinking of a number that large.

Chris,

I would welcome any help, suggestions and contributions from long before day one. Lets try to get in touch in the next week or so and see what we can come up with.
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

pbean09

I'm all for it but what would be the run(bi-monthly, monthly, ect) and the cost to us?

popbumper

FlyerPinto:

  Interestingly, and no joke - this idea went through my mind this week. There is a certain need for a publication of this type. My personal opinion is that the Pinto "field is ripe" for harvesting, and this would be a substantial benchmark towards establishing recognition of these vehicles. As a former subscriber to Gameroom magazine (also, a low circulation pub), as a pinball hobbyist I was always interested in hearing stories of fellow enthusiasts and their efforts towards restoration.

  Being heavily involved in both pinball for the last 10 years, and model railroading many years before that, I drove a personal effort towards suppoting both hobbies in printed matter and personal "appearances".  I am a published author of 10 articles concerning model trains between the years 1995 and 1998, in Model Railroader, and Mainline Modeler magazines. These articles contained substantial information including history, photographs, AutoCAD drawings, and detailed text of my efforts.

In addition, I began putting together a book on the subject of pinball (which has been my hobby for the past ten years), though I never got it off the ground. That was a real labor of love which, well, I found little time for, though I have lots of text written. I have also given a number of public seminars at pinball shows, talking about cabinet and playfield restoration, replete with examples of my work.

  Since I now have a car and am in the process of learning a great deal about these automobiles (including, taking one apart and restoring it  ;)), I guess what I am trying to say is:

1) I am ALL for this effort
2) I would happily be a contributing author
3) I will support the effort any way I can

I hope this works out, and if there is anything I can do, please let me know. Feel free to contact me direct at any time, thanks!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Scott Hamilton

Excellect Idea...  Matt has the full support of FordPinto.com.
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77pintocw

Hello:

My vote is yes, I would support it.   ;D

Thanks,

77pintocw
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phils toys

sounds like i good idea to me.
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