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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Pinto Magazine

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Would you be willing to subscribe to a magazine dedicated to Pinto/Bobcat history/restoration/preservation if such a magazine were published?

Yes, definitely would
Probably would
Would depend upon cost
Probably would not
No, definitely would not

turbopinto72

What about lifting old articles from 70s magazines ( giving it credit ) for some fun. Could do a comparison deal like " Then" and " Now "
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

FlyerPinto

I don't know how much content will be contributed by club members, probably a fair amount to be certain. I do know the balance will have to come from other sources, which I will primarily have to provide via research etc.; it should be fun and I'm interested to see what comes to pass.
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

dave1987

Being sourced from the PCCA....It being produced by members of the PCCA, and the conception of the magazine essentially started here, with the founders and members of the PCCA. Also, I am expecting to see about 98% of the magazine content being submitted or contributed by PCCA members.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

FlyerPinto

I think it would be fine if folks will do it, I certainly don't have an issue there, but I wouldn't want to speak for anyone else regarding disseminating contact information. Regarding being sourced from the PCCA, what do you mean? I haven't spoken with anyone in a while so I don't know where things stand.
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

dave1987

Since it will be sourced from the PCCA, how about a page with a list of member's names and contact information (if the member in question decides to release such information), as well as a page welcoming new members to the club?

If not a page of contact information, at least a page recognizing the members so that others that may be interested in purchasing a Pinto can truly see that there are more people that they would have thought who can help them with their future project. People who have hands on experience with the most common, and uncommon problems which haunt a restoration project, or regular maintenance.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

FlyerPinto

All good ideas, and some of them are in the works as we speak. I'm open to all kinds of suggestions so keep 'em coming. I will be using old Ford advertisements and other period items as well. I would love to see updates on Pintos from an artistic point of view, to say nothing of cartoons (that one was just to easy to let it go by). If you have anything working, just let me know.

Thanks!
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

PintoGino

Hello! I'm new to the Pinto world, I'm working on buying a 1979 Pinto with only 39k miles on it. I've been reading the forums posts and I really enjoy this site. I have a suggestion for the Pinto magazine.

I don't know the legality of it or what not, but how about putting some of the old Pinto brochures and ads in the magazine? Just a thought but I'm not sure if the items being copyrighted would be allowed by Ford or the advertisement developers. This way people who collect such things can contribute as well, making scanned copies or something to the magazine so we can see advertisements and brochures from that time line.

Another suggestion would be when doing an article on a featured Pinto would be something like "news from this year" related information that tells about what was going on in the U.S. or automobile world during that time. Maybe even some competitors to the Pinto sort of like a side by side comparison? I'd be interested in classic ads, not necessarily of the Pinto, from that era too. Just to bring back memories.

How about an annual edition retro style. All retro through and through? Retro printing style, ads for the Pinto, ads of that era and news from that era? Maybe working chronologically from the first year of production to the last year? Basically a retro edition each year for each year the Pinto was in production.

For the budding or professional artists an update on the Pinto if it were still being made today?


popbumper

I have talked with Matt and am in the process of writing an article for the first edition rollout. I won't say what it is now, but it's a topic near and dear to my own car, as I go through the restoration process. I am excited about this magazine and look forward to being a contributor.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

I plan to send in a subscription payment once tax season comes around, and before the first release sets sail.

I can't wait to get my hands on the first issue! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

FlyerPinto

Look for an announcement about the magazine this week...
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

r4pinto

YES!!! ME TOO! Almost as much as I would like to see replacement floorboards for our cars lol ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

discolives78

I would still like to see our magazine come to life! :D


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popbumper

I will be a contributor if it all works out, I have had a lot of experience writing for magazines, and hope this really does happen.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

blupinto

Count me in too!

          To see a mag devoted primarily (if not exclusively) to Pintos would be a dream come true for me. I have had a love affair with Pintos- especially the 1971-1975 era models- since I could recognize a car other than something that Mom or Dad drove me in (I was born in 1972). I do think it would be a good idea to have a magazine that was primarily Pintos but also catered to Mavericks/Comets and Mustang lls as well as the Pinto's twin sister the Bobcat. You could call it Pintos and Other Ford Ponies (or whatever).

             I know this thread is about the magazine but now that we mention toys, collectibles and models that could also be a section in the mag- featuring a fan's passion that he/she can actually bring into the living room! Yes, I have a few toy Pintos myself. I am waiting for the opportunity to get another actual Pinto car again.
One can never have too many Pintos!

FlyerPinto

Trust me, no one gets left out here.
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

prostang92

dont forget to include us who like to preserve our pinto's w/ alternative drivetrains that arent stock... :)

why is everybody always picking on me???

jimspinto

  I wanted to bring this post back up to the top.

  Its obvious to me. that "Flyerpinto" has done alot of work on this Magazine.  I'm also sure he will fill all of you in on the information soon.

  For the moment, I just wanted to bring the original post back to the top

     Thanks,,,,,,,jim at jimspinto

FlyerPinto

Ok folks, while I'm still waiting to hear back from Ford about the magazine idea, I'm working on smaller aspects of the idea. Several of you have posted ideas in this thread and I think they are all pretty good and very viable for a new project. I think it will be harder to fill up pages initially than what I realize so I will be snagging all kinds of ideas from your suggestions. Several of you have also mentioned wanting to contribute articles and the like - another fantastic idea. I have spoken with or been in e-mail contact with several of you in regards to this idea and I apologize for disappearing for a while. Things have been very hectic here and they are just starting to settle down so I will have the time to move forward with this now. I'm trying to find all the e-mail addresses and phone numbers everyone sent me, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to send me a note reminding me of what you want to help with. I'm going to be working on this over the weekend so I'll be getting in touch with a bunch of folks then. Thanks a bunch.
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

TOMMYS

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A MAG ABOUT JUST PINTOS.IT'S REALLY DISAPPOINTING TO LOOK THROUGH ALL THE OTHER FORD MAGS AND RARELY SEE ANYONE DOING ANYTHING TO A PINTO EXCEPT DESTROYING IT IN A DERBY.COUNT ME IN.

71pintok


cutelitlputtputt

I have the big Pinto that you put batteries in.  Never could find the small ones out in my area.  They always have a lot of Vegas!!!   :rolleye:  Oh well.  Not one for ebay!!

Jennifer
Anything to keep her runnin'!

discolives78

They were on shelves last year or year before, I didn't "stockpile" meaning I don't have one of everything that was offered or duplicates of anything.  This is popular subject matter to the right people and not much of it was on the shelf when I made my purchase.  You can get this stuff from toy suppliers on the web, search "die cast models" or "scale model cars" on the web or look on ebay under "toys&hobbies" in die cast cars. Hope that helps!


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

cutelitlputtputt

[color=orange]Are you guys the ones buying up all of the toy Pintos at Wal Mart?!!! 

I have no luck finding them....

Jennifer
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Anything to keep her runnin'!

dga57

It's nice to know that someone else here collects toy cars too!  My den is home to a $10,000+  collection of diecast cars, about half of which are Franklin Mint and Danbury Mint 1:24's.  There are lots of other things in the collection including a series of 1:43 handbuilt resin Rolls Royces I bought from China, numerous other 1:43's (some of which comprised my father's collection that passed to me when he died four years ago), a bunch of 1:25 scale pickup trucks, a dozen 1:64 Lincolns ranging from the '40's-70's, another half-dozen 1:64 Rolls Royces ranging from the '50's-80's.  In the Fresh Cherries series, I have an orange Ford Pinto, a baby blue/white AMC Pacer, a royal blue Chevy Vega, and a green Ford Maverick.  Then, there's the wall of old Ford promo cars, mostly from the 1960's.  The list goes on and on.  Am currently building a 1:64 scale Sunoco station diorama which will contain a number of cars as well: a 1960 Ford Country Squire wagon, a '68 Thunderbird, '69 Mercury Cougar, '76 Continental Mark IV, '69 Chevy Blazer, '77 Dodge Pickup, and a '59 Cadillac "junker" with a For Sale sign.  May add a few more as space permits, and if I find anything particularly interesting.  I'm 51 years old but so far have not outgrown my toys!  Let's see... I'm way off topic here!  If we get this magazine project off the ground, I'll definitely subscribe!  Whew ::)  now we're back on track!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

discolives78

A magazine is a great idea! I would subscribe even if its $7.50 per copy.  I collect toy cars too and I'm sure there are others of you. 1/24 scale models, 1/64 (hot wheels). Hot Rod magazine ran a modeling column for a while. I have the Fresh Cherries R/C Pinto and the 1/64s in blue, yellow and red, and a Mustang II in green, and the 1/24 Die cast pinto in brown/white. I don't mind content including other misfits, although not sure about Edsels, but maybe EXPs from the early 80s and 70s Capris


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

demoiowa89r

was wondering if there would possibly be a derby section to the magazine? if so i'd love to help out..
Proud owner of a 74 pinto sedan. NON-DERBY
a 78 hatch. derby car.
a 73 wagon. derby car.

turbo74pinto

wow, i cant belive i didnt see this thread before!!!  this is a great idea.  i like the comment earlier about bringing in other oddball fords.  it would probably help push well over 200 copies.  id have to dig them out, but i have a few pics of junk yard pintos i could scan and send you.

bob
Take a job big or small, do it right or not at all.

pbean09

Quote from: FlyerPinto on August 20, 2008, 05:44:41 AM
We're working on it guys!

Well you ain't working fast enough! lol just playing don't shoot!

FlyerPinto

We're working on it guys!
1977 Bobcat HB
1977 Bobcat HB
1978 Pinto Cruising Wagon

So many projects, so little time...

apintonut

Quote from: pbean09 on August 19, 2008, 11:08:15 AM
We need a magizine. What is an Offical FORD PINTO CLUB SITE without an OFICAL CLUB MAG>

yah i hafta agree with that
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.


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