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New member, an original purchaser in 1971...and 1973
« on: March 03, 2009, 12:33:15 PM »
As an original purchaser of a 1971 and a 1973 Pinto, and pondering "Pintos" today, I thought I'd check to see if any had survived all these years, and was there any interest in keeping these cars alive.

Turns out: yes on both counts!

Pretty amazing to see all this interest and enthusiasm.

My 1971 blue sedan / trunk, 2.0 4-speed, deluxe black interior (knitted vinyl seats, a nicer steering wheel, some dash dress-up [fake] chrome), fold down rear seat, was my first new car.  I purchased in the summer after graduation from high school, out the door price just over $2k and it took most of a week's pay from the auto parts store where I worked to cover the monthly payment ($74).

I'd come from a background of loving anything with an engine, and especially sports cars of any type.  I had owned a 1970 VW, and had modified it with stiffer sway bars, exhaust header, and dogbone Dunlop tires to participate in autocross/gymkhana events as well as bracket racing at the drag strip (hey, no snickering...I even won my class (17.0 second et's and slower) a few times!).

So my purchase of a new Pinto was influenced by the reported quickness of the 2.0, 100hp engine mt combo, and one test drive hooked me.  I'd cross-shopped Vega's, but the model I'd want to have (the GT) was out of my price range.  Took delivery of my new car that summer, and it was a revelation to drive.  Coming from driving VWs, various Fiats, Triumphs, MGs, etc. the Pinto really rocked!  Egad could that engine rev...no tach was supplied, so no suggested redline; I added one and used 7500 as a shift point (!).  I showed the tailights many times to other 4-cyl cars of the era, and my buddies couldn't believe a 4-cyl car could be that fun to drive.  But it was.

I tried my Pinto out in bracket racing, and in autocross.  It made a pretty good bracket-racer, too, being able to put down 17.10'sh elapsed times pretty consistently, and of course that's the key in that type of competition.  They classified Pintos pretty fairly for autocross (with 1600 BMWs I think, and Datsun 510s) but my Pinto had an issue with the inside rear lifting on sharp corners and, with no limited-slip rear, reduced it's ability to compete. 

I modified that car just a bit. I added a set of Ansen mags, and mounted my stock Goodyear Polyglas A70-13 white-lettered tires on them.  I made my own short-throw shifter by cutting down the stock shifter length, and fitted a Stebro exhaust in place of the stock muffler (um, no, they didn't actually have a Pinto fitment...I ordered a "universal" twin-pipe muffler with the right inlet size).  With the addition of an under-dash 8-track deck and some 5 1/4 speakers mounted in the rear seat side panels, I had most of what I needed at age 18.  With the fold-down seat, I actually slept in the back/trunk a couple of times on trips to the lake (ah, youth).

But then, in a fit or something, fall of '72 I decided to sell it to get rid of the payments so I could attend college full time.  And then, didn't.

So in fall '73 I purchased *another* new Pinto, this time white with a blue standard interior (it looked upgraded from the '71s, so no need to invest in the deluxe interior), and the 2.0 / four-speed option again.  I was expecting pretty much the same experience / performance from this one as I'd had with my '71.  But alas, 'twas not to be.

The '73 models had been modified to comply with tightening emissions standards, so they'd pretty much emasculated that fine German 2.0 engine.  Compression had been lowered, cam changes had been made, along with an EGR valve and enough vacuum plumbing and weird little one-way limiter valves to choke a horse (hey...isn't a pinto a....never mind).  My '73 had nowhere near the zing of my '71.  Could only manage 17.90'sh quarter mile times. So I went to work on "fixing" it.

We pulled the head and milled .060 to get more compression.  Added steel tube headers with a 3" collector feeding into a Thrush muffler and an angled side-exit tailpipe.  Added a Mallory distributor, along with a Judson Electronic Magneto (somewhat of a very enhanced coil).  I kept ruining alternators (bearings would fail) until I a) added an Accel alternator (that had the capability to be switched to non-charge to reduce drag) and b) learned to adjust belt tension properly.  I even added leaf spring traction bars (just like the big guys!) to stop axle hop on launch, and prevent me from ever using a drive-through car wash again.  Installed a Hurst shifter. So with all this, it ran...17.10's.  Sigh.  I finally gave up; put a real exhaust system on it, and added Sears aftermarket air conditioning to keep my commute cool.

I actually owned this car 3 years, selling it to buy a '71 Camaro, and thus ended my Pinto experience.

Gee. Looks like this turned out to be something of a ramble...but I hope it may be of interest to any younger gen Pinto owners who wondered what it was like to buy a new one "back in the day".



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Re: New member, an original purchaser in 1971...and 1973
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2009, 01:50:34 PM »
LJ???  :welcome:
  Always good to welcome a Member with a First person ownership experience and you had Two! :amazed: Also good to know another Cone Killer/ Time Bandit ;D.
 You'll find a seriously diverse but committed group on this site. This has really taken off since I first began posting in '99 .
 
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Re: New member, an original purchaser in 1971...and 1973
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2009, 02:36:03 PM »
" we're an electic, but civil group..."?
Sorry pintosopher, but I'm Methodist :lol:
He made me do it :devil:

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Re: New member, an original purchaser in 1971...and 1973
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2009, 05:25:30 PM »
Whats all this about 'electric civilians?'

Where are my glasses ???

Seriously, welcome to the group!  :welcome: Lots of good people and good info here.

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Re: New member, an original purchaser in 1971...and 1973
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2009, 05:29:38 PM »
welcome
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Re: New member, an original purchaser in 1971...and 1973
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2009, 06:31:28 PM »
Thanks!

Now residing in STL, I was a Kansas City native for a long time.  I'm going to keep an eye on this space, and would love to drop in on any midwestern event that may come about.

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Re: New member, an original purchaser in 1971...and 1973
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2009, 02:45:48 AM »
 :welcome:  aboard!

Don't know how many "young" members' attention you got, but you certainly got mine (I'm 51)!  My first car/first new car were one in the same... an orange Pinto Runabout 2300 cc 4 spd. with black interior.  I got her when I was 16.  $2900 straight out, had some cash for a down payment, my dad co-signed, and I ended up with payments of $72 a month.  What a deal! 

I currently have a 1972 sedan 1600 cc 4 spd. that is brown with a black interior.  Have spent the past year accumulating everything I need to to re-do it cosmetically (it runs like a top and only has 76000 original miles).  Plan to have it all done sometime this summer... it will then be orange like my original Pinto!

Do you have any plans to acquire another Pinto and relive your youth?

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Re: New member, an original purchaser in 1971...and 1973
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2009, 03:50:27 AM »
Im young, and it got my attention. Welcome aboard, and Pinto's and bobcats have run in the family. First was a 76/77 Runabout 2.3l Auto bought in Los angelos CA. Second was the bobcat I currently own, Bought in 1986/87 in Victorville CA. and then a 77 CW same area as well as a green 75 wagon like the one that was shown on the Main page a while ago. So these cars kinda run in my blood and i am fortunate enough to be able to pass that on to my own kids 

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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2009, 03:18:04 PM »
I am not the original owner but would have loved to have been! I now own two of these great machines, one an all original '79 with a 2300 and a 4 speed and it is a blast to drive. The other... well look at my signature... lol.  :welcome: to the forums and I hope you eventually get to re-live your days in a Pinto!

Oh and PS... I'm a young enthusiast at 17... 18 in May but yet I'm still the coolest guy at my school thanks to the Pinto  :afro:
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Re: New member, an original purchaser in 1971...and 1973
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2009, 12:59:28 PM »
The thing about getting another Pinto would be...there's just too many hobbies and not enough time!  We're fairly committed motorcyclists, are schutzhund-training our german shepherd, yada yada.  But it would be a hoot to have one again, they were/are a blast to drive.  And you guys are blowing me away with the level of enthusiasm you have!

I didn't mention that I was living at home at the time; my dad liked my '71 so much that he bought one of his own (brown/black 2.0 with automatic).  He'd just taken early retirement, so he and my mom drove that car all over the U.S.  He'd gotten a wild hair to try that Offenhauser dual-plane intake with the Holly 500 cfm two-barrel, and had it all installed.  But, the available mechanics in our area didn't have the know-how to get it all working smoothly (linkage, and proper vacuum to regulate the shifting were the main problems) so he put it all back to stock and sold off the "hot rod" parts.

Some other "go-fast" engineering back then: the 71's came with a small 6-7" round metal air screening assembly that fit in place over the carb studs inside the air filter assembly (I believe, to help cut down intake noise/drone).  Of course, for drag racing nights it was easy to pull off the stock air cleaner and run with just that metal air screen.  Kept the june bugs out and sounded great. 

I mentioned running a 7500 rpm "red line" (of course, really too high on reflection, but at the time felt about right); at those speeds the distributor contact points would "float", creating something of a natural rev-limiter.  The cure was easy; a 1/2 in or so of 3/16th's vacuum hose squeezed between the point arm and the carrier added enough extra spring to remove this limitation (and reducing the life of the points' rubbing block in a big way!). 

Another thing I remembered doing was taking off the throttle close limiter; it was this big aluminum/pot metal contraption on the intake manifold that would keep the throttle from closing quickly.  It annoyed me, both b/c it made the "soundtrack" of that nice 2.0 sound weird when blipping the throttle (rises fast, comes back slow) and made a buzzy noise of it's own.  Nothing that an impact wrench and NPT pipe plug couldn't fix.  Oh, and speaking of wrenches: that mix of German engine and domestic Ford body meant you needed to keep both metric and standard wrenches handy, depending on what you were servicing.

Ah well, just more random thoughts.  It's surprising how much stuff you actually can remember!